Is it just me, or does this go too far?

Turbys_1700 · Aug 23, 2006

The most complete loader specs I've seen is on Bush Hog's web site. If you-all ever get a chance go and look at them. They list the loader capacity at different heights, pin versus 31.5" from pin, and also list the psi and gpm required to get that result. Simple and straight-forward.

Bob_Skurka · Aug 23, 2006

Turbys_1700 said:
The most complete loader specs I've seen is on Bush Hog's web site. If you-all ever get a chance go and look at them. They list the loader capacity at different heights, pin versus 31.5" from pin, and also list the psi and gpm required to get that result. Simple and straight-forward.

New Holland, Kubota, and I think Massey Ferguson provide similarly complete specifications (or at least they used to the last time I looked them up). The problem with Bush Hog, is very similar to the problem with Woods. It makes a claim, and puts in the discalimer that it requires XX gpm of flow and XXXX pressure. The problem is that people assume incorrectly their tractor can put out those flows & pressures. A Kioti owner was talking about how great his Woods loader is and how it out lifts the Kioti loader, and then it was pointed out that he didn't have enough pressure to get the claimed capacity. This is NO fault of the loader company, they often don't know what tractor the loader is going to be mounted on, but it does go to show that even people who think they are educated about loaders really often are clueless. And I don't blame the buyers so much, I think it goes back to the fact that the tractor manufacturers have changed the measurement points to suit their needs.

Turbys_1700 · Aug 23, 2006

I agreee...My 1720 NH is rated at 7.3 gpm flow with 2133 psi @ 2500 RPM's...Bush Hog recommends the 2246QT for the 1720...The 2246QT is spec'd out at 2000 psi and 6 gpm flow...Many folk don't know the capacities of their tractor...I could put a higher capacity loader on my tractor but she still wouldn't pick up the load...

Willl · Aug 23, 2006

A scanned portion of a JD loader pamphlet.

JD Loader specs

Bob_Skurka · Aug 23, 2006

Willl said:
A scanned portion of a JD loader pamphlet.

JD Loader specs

Do they have the rest of the specs somewhere else in the brochure?

Willl · Aug 23, 2006

Bob_Skurka said:
Do they have the rest of the specs somewhere else in the brochure?

Such as ?

Bob_Skurka · Aug 23, 2006

Off the top of my head, the other manufacturers that provide full specs typically include:

Breakout force at the bucket lip AND bucket center AND/OR the 19.7"/500mm point?
Lift capacity at the 19.7"/500mm point?
Lift capacity at the above points at various heights (12", 59" and full lift).
Bucket weight?

Willl · Aug 23, 2006

The only other specs I could find (it's only 3 pages) were total unit weights.

Heck, my 300 owners manual doesn't have 'any' type of a specs page.

JohnSinVA · Aug 23, 2006

Bob -

I've read this thread with some interest and your Deere bashing has come full circle. In post #24 you wrote:

Simply put, a loader will (lift) a lot more weight 1 foot off the ground than it will lift 5 feet off the ground and it will lift more weight 5 feet off the ground than it will lift to full height. So Deere is just playing with numbers to confuse buyers. I suppose that some buyer like to be dilluded into believe they got more than they paid for.

Then, in post #37 you wrote the following regarding the shortcomings of the posted Deere spec pamphlet:

Off the top of my head, the other manufacturers that provide full specs typically include:

* Breakout force at the bucket lip AND bucket center AND/OR the 19.7"/500mm point?
* Lift capacity at the 19.7"/500mm point?
* Lift capacity at the above points at various heights (12", 59" and full lift).
* Bucket weight?

Points 1 and 4 are well taken. However point 2 is a listed spec in the brochure (the second one down, which tells me you didn't look closely, if at all, before posting your above criticisms). Point 3 cites the same specs you were criticising Deere in post 24 for using as an attempt to mislead the buyer. I certainly respect your knowledge and your right to cite fault where you see it, but you can't have it both ways.