Is the Cyber Truck a Flop?

[Renze]

Which vehicles are selling in place of the Teslas?

I dont know.

Tesla dropped their list prices to stay competitive.
Car rental company Sixt saw the resale value of their Tesla fleet drop overnight, says Tesla screwed them over and therefor takes their loss right away, before resale value drops even further...

Sixt says goodbye to the Teslas in its fleet - electrive.com

The car rental company Sixt is phasing out Tesla electric cars. The residual value problem with the US manufacturer's electric cars is said to play a major

www.electrive.com

Here in Holland and Germany, we pay tax based on a cars registered weight. Electric cars didnt pay tax at all, but the government was missing out on too much revenue.

Now people pay full tax for a heavier battery vehicle, so not many want them anymore.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I dont know.

Tesla dropped their list prices to stay competitive.
Car rental company Sixt saw the resale value of their Tesla fleet drop overnight, says Tesla screwed them over and therefor takes their loss right away, before resale value drops even further...

Sixt says goodbye to the Teslas in its fleet - electrive.com

The car rental company Sixt is phasing out Tesla electric cars. The residual value problem with the US manufacturer's electric cars is said to play a major

www.electrive.com

Here in Holland and Germany, we pay tax based on a cars registered weight. Electric cars didnt pay tax at all, but the government was missing out on too much revenue.

Now people pay full tax for a heavier battery vehicle, so not many want them anymore.

Tax by weight makes sense to me. Do you know how much tax is charged per say, a Model 3?

I think Tesla wants out of the car business altogether actually. They have loftier goals than being an auto manufacturer.

 

[hayden]

You crazy dude. A modern 2500, 250 can conventional pull 16k plus, gooseneck # for them are way more. The old trucks look good but ain’t worth a crap as a working man’s truck.

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacity for a 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

 

[WinterDeere]

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Call me soulless, but I would never let my dislike for the CEO of a public company sway my impression of how good or bad their product is, or its suitability for me. It helps that I've become a big fan of Elon, more so in the last year or two than ever before. But even if I were on the other side of the fence, my brain is able to segregate unrelated issues.

I watched my MIL switch from drinking Coke to Pepsi a few years back, and hey... I understand her political gripe. But the bottom line is that I like Coke, and I don't really like Pepsi nearly as much. My taste buds aren't so political.

 

[Fixastuff]

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacitya 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

Ram 2500 10k truck weight and 16k trailer. Says to use a weight distribution hitch above 12k or something like that. You can order a f250 or Chevy 2500 with a 10k weight but they usually aren’t on the lot.

 

[Renze]

I think Tesla wants out of the car business altogether actually. They have loftier goals than being an auto manufacturer.

They invested big in a German factory in the past 3 years.

But was Tesla ever an auto manufacturer ? They are an electrical appliance manufacturer that decided to build cars. Car manufacturers think about ease of repair, service centers, etcetera. You can pick up your Tesla at a Tesla center where they are parked by the truckload, and when youre there at the given time and date, you may hope the guy in front of you is on time too or you'll wait till the first guy in the row moves out.

Tesla grants you the privilege of buying their product, but they dont honour their customer. But average Joe doesnt accept that, they expect some customer service, as for car dealers its their privilege when you hand over 40k or more.

There are independent garages that begin to speciialize in Tesla because Tesla hires appliance repairmen instead of car mechanics. Many people drive half a day to a Tesla center, have half the parts replaced to no avail, then find this guy who is willing to touch Teslas and then its something small that a car mechanic thinks of right away.

 

[KennyG]

This isn't my experience. I'm not sure which "2500" you are talking about, but I have a 2020 GMC 2500. GCVW is 26,000. Max trailer on hitch is 14,500, and that leaves some capacity for cargo in the truck itself. Max gooseneck is 17,900, and that leaves only 230lbs total cargo+driver weight. So I could drive the truck, but couldn't have anything or anybody in the truck. When I bought my truck, it had the highest capacity for a 3/4 ton truck from GMC, and also the highest of Ford and Dodge. I recently looked at a new Ram 2500 and it's ratings were lower. From what I've seen, to get higher ratings you need to go to a 1 ton and/or dually.

What 2500 or 250 is rated to pull 16k on a bumper?

Current Ford F-250 is rated at 14K to 22K depending on engine, rear axle ratio and body/frame configuration.

 

[Renze]

Call me soulless, but I would never let my dislike for the CEO of a public company sway my impression of how good or bad their product is, or its suitability for me.

Read my other posts: Tesla has virtually no customer service, when they lowered their sales prices for new vehicles they screwed over all their existing customers because their resale value/writeoff increased proportional with the drop in new price, and Europe wide, tax deductions and subsidies end.

Musks political aspirationd play a minor role.

 

[hayden]

Which vehicles are selling in place of the Teslas?

I think pretty much every european car manufacturer now offers electric cars, so I expect buying has shifted to them.

 

[newbury]

Current Ford F-250 is rated at 14K to 22K depending on engine, rear axle ratio and body/frame configuration.

But it's gotten TOO TALL.
I need to be able to legally tow 10K. My darling 5' tall wife has difficulty climbing up into it, and would struggle trying to get a bag of groceries onto the seat.
My 2002 F350 dually sits lower.
Maybe I should get her a Tesla. Now if only they made one with a 900 mile driving range while towing 10K.

 

[WinterDeere]

Musks political aspirationd play a minor role.

I did read your notes about service issues, which I don't think are as bad here in the US, although the spacing between Tesla-operated service stations is a bit of an issue here.

But a quick Google search on "Tesla sales down in Europe" turned up many articles, the headline of nearly all of them essentially claiming that it was due to Musk's current political involvement. So if you say that's playing only a minor role, I can't claim with certainty that you're wrong, but the Euro news media (at least that posted in English) seems to be trying to play it otherwise.

 

[Renze]

I think pretty much every european car manufacturer now offers electric cars, so I expect buying has shifted to them.

VW EV sales are slumping, though they need to get them moving or they pay a hefty fine.

In the end they will make them so cheap that the consumer ends up with rubbish.

Volkswagen targets higher EV sales to avoid hefty €1.5 billion EU emission fines

EU countries such as France and Italy have urged Brussels to ditch the penalties for embattled European carmakers, who have been plunged into crisis by a switch to EVs and increasing competition.

fortune.com

 

[Renze]

So if you say that's playing only a minor role, I can't claim with certainty that you're wrong, but the Euro news media (at least that posted in English) seems to be trying to play it otherwise.

People who work in media, sell news, they dont report it. Their work cant be measured in production units, so most of them are left leaning, especially when they work for a government broadcasting company.

Tesla sales drop, off course its not because the green bubble starts cracking, but because Musk talks right.

Queues at the British border isnt because they have no hurry at customs: Its the British suffering from Brexit.

Sometimes i show a Dutch news article to my friend Edward in Britain. He says i dont recognise that doom and gloom at all here...

 

[shooterdon]

I am 95% with you WinterDeere. I don't care about the political leanings of the CEO when it comes to buying a vehicle that should last over 15 years. But I stopped drinking Coke products because soda is not that important to me, and it was a way to make a statement. Won't take the grandkids to Disney either.

I am not surprised some people are dumping EVs once the incentives are removed. And one of the reasons I will not purchase a Tesla is the lack of service in my area. 200 miles to closest service center.

Tesla has made major investments in EV manufacturing, and I hope they are successful. But my belief is that Musk does not see EVs as the "hinge pin" of his empire. He also realizes that as gas prices fall, and without government influence, ICE vehicles will remain the preferred option for most Americans.

 

[Renze]

He also realizes that as gas prices fall, and without government influence, ICE vehicles will remain the preferred option for most Americans.

Not just Americans. People who buy used vehicles, dont want a ticking timebomb, when the battery is broken, replacement costs almost the price of a new vehicle.

 

[Sprinkler Fitter]

Most truck buyers today are purchased as others said here not as a truck but as a status symbol. They're meant to impress others with all the gadgets. My personal truck is a '93 F150 4x4 4spd. 300-six. 206K miles. I have $2,400 in it. It doesn't impress anyone except our farrier who I pulled his diesel Ram 3500 crew cab loaded (10K#?) he got stuck in a ditch...uphill in the snow using granny gear. He forgot leaving parking brake on but dragged it out anyway.
I was talking about trucks besides, not towing capacity but for hauling junk.
Crazy?
To me it's crazy spending $100K-$150K either to haul groceries or tear up working/hauling.
A truck is a truck. To each his/her/their own.

I buy what I like to drive, don’t care what anyone thinks about it. I am not sure if I know anyone that purchased for a status symbol.

I live in a rural area, most of us use our trucks as a truck.

 

[Sprinkler Fitter]

Which vehicles are selling in place of the Teslas?

We are at Austin for about a week, I can’t believe the amount of Teslas we see here in Austin.

 

[jyoutz]

We are at Austin for about a week, I can’t believe the amount of Teslas we see here in Austin.

I’m sure they have good services there since that is where they’re built.

 

[Sprinkler Fitter]

I’m sure they have good services there since that is where they’re built.

OK, didn’t know that because I’m not interested in buying one, but I like cars, or basically anything with the motor so while we are driving, I’m always looking at vehicles

 

[KennyG]

Not just Americans. People who buy used vehicles, dont want a ticking timebomb, when the battery is broken, replacement costs almost the price of a new vehicle.

I don't have much interest in owning an electric vehicle, but the concerns about battery life seem overblown. Current replacement cost for Tesla batteries seem to be in the $12K to $15K range and the failure rate is very low. The warranty is for 100K to 150K miles depending on the model and applies to ones bought used. An engine or transmission failure on a conventional car can easily cost $5K to $15K.