Is there any $$$ left?

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DrDan

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Another pet pieve of mine is the constant barrage of checks in the mail from credit card companies. They arrive at you most lean times. Wow if you have to put your taxes on credit card this country is owned by the "banko's"! I was having a conversation with a fellow republican the other evening and he thinks the dems have duped us into a false sense of security by making plastic so available.

It sad... Those with the least are only getting further in debt. I don't think there's much cash out there.

What do you guys think?

Dr Dan
 
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1929 people borrowed on their houses to buy stocks.
1999 people borrowed on their houses to buy stocks.
Banks don't own everything yet... just the stuff they get to repo because the Dow dropped.

Have been listening to Dave Ramsey on the radio. This guy has made a fortune out of telling people to cut up their credit cards. I think he has a web site.

I just can't figure out how to pay the Visa if I cut up the Master Card! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

SHF
 
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DrDan, I agree with you wholeheartedly on the unsolicited credit cards, offers for loans, etc. I get a pile of them on a regular basis. I don't blame the Dem's for them, though. All the bankers I know are R's. TBone
 
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Dr Dan, as T-Bone said, you can't pin this one on the Democrats, because I've never heard of a Democratic banker!!/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif But you are right. They make credit way too easy, and most people don't take the time to understand credit agreements. My wife and I only use our credit cards for emergencies when we don't have enough cash on us to pay for something. We always pay the bills off immediately, unless it was some huge emergency expense, which happens rarely, thankfully!!/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Rich
 
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Amen Rich,My wife and I have about four major credit cards with I don't know how much limit on each.We use one of these to make purchases with,really don't know why we have four? anyway that statement is paid in full every month.We have never paid any interest fees on any card.I feel very fortunate.So many people get up side down in a hurry with too much credit.
 
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Carrots and Donkeys
Hamster wheels
Consumers and credit cards

(At least that's how I feel once in a while!)
 
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Between the office and home I bet we get 30 or more of those dang things a month. I put it off for a long time but we finally went to taking credit cards at the office. It's such a dang racket anymore with the mileage and all that that people want to pay with their credit cards all the time. I hate taking them as we have to pay a fee to take them every month, then a processing fee, and then the credit card company takes their percent. Winds up costing us about 5-6% of the transaction which I don't think is right. Then they turn around and charge interest as well. Quite an operation they have going on. As much as I'd like to blame it on the democrats I'm not sure how they created this one. Unless it was one of Gore's blurbs like him creating the internet.

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Well credit card spending stimulates the economy, but I don't know what good the stimulus does if there is nothing behind it but plastic. It's pretty sad that the liberal offering of credit is getting so many people trapped! I mean, my god I get four or five offers a week for more credit - I rip up all the checks they send but wonder what would happen if the envelope were delivered to the wrond address and someone wrote one of those checks for alot of $$$.

I guess I just get fed up with unsolicited "offers"! At least with all the crap that come in on E-mail all you have to do is "X" it and it's gone - with all the postal junk mail I end up filling my garbage pail and guess where it goes next? Landfills! A few years ago this guy who is the "landfill archiologist" was on a TV show. One of his statements was that plastic milk bottles aren't a problem in landfills as often though. The big problem is paper! He said that just discarding annual phonebooks is a major contributor to the thickness in the layers of landfills. Amazing! Maybe we need to invent shredders that will feed thsi stuff into our furnaces.

I think any unsolicited mail should be required to contain a postage paid postcard that has two check boxes on it. "Yes I want to continue receiving this junk" or "No don't send anymore"! I have even gotten into the habbit of not sending in warrantees anymore because it just adds you to another mailing list. My god sometimes I lose important mail because it ends up getting stuck in a circular or flyer. Ridiculous!

Ok I quit ranting for now,

Dr Dan
 
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DrDan I agree with you on the garbage issue. But so long as we are ranting how about these D#&@ calls all day and now half the night.. I now have a air horn to blast them.. Sure they gotta make money but I pay (we) for our phone service for a conveince to ourselves not for someone to try and sell junk, credit cards, beg for money etc....I know there may be better ways to handle these people but my wife and I both work and what little time we get together I do not want to be bugged by these bufons (taken from somebody else) Sure take the phone of the hook but what about the real emergencies... Dont know just bent by all the darn calls..
Anybody else?
 
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These telemarketing schemes are the absolute worst. They seem to call at the worst times - while you are eating, watching a ballgame (Bottom of the ninth - Braves and Yankees. Yeah I know the Yankees are going to win but I want to see it anyway). I try not to be rude to these people - they are just making a living. I think we need some kind of laws against this invasion of privacy. It's getting ridiculous at my house.
 
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The telemarketers and direct mail marketers have very sophisticated systems for targeting likely candidates for their products. Typically they operate off a 'credit score' basis. You will often see (if you request a copy of your credit report) that there have been multiple queries to it by credit card companies - this is the information they are using to target you.

Once they have your contact information, it's easy for them to get hold of you. The telemarketers use 'predictive dialers' that enable them to automatically call thousands of people. Typically the call centers where these people work employ hundreds of staff. The large credit card banks such as First USA (division of Bank One) or MBNA have thousands of people calling all day (but mostly at night).

The predictive dialers call your number and listen for an answering machine, busy tone, special information tone (tri-tone) etc. If they detect a human voice (some sophisticated processing here) then they pass it on to a call center agent.

You will notice that sometimes you have to say 'hello' a couple of times - that is the system listening for voice. You will also notice that sometimes there is a longer delay - that is when the system has overdialed and there is no call center agent free to take your call yet (which they placed!). Finally - those annoying calls from 'out of area' on the caller ID that ring a couple of times and then stop? Same problem - over dialing by these companies.

There are a couple of ways to get around all of this. For the direct mail, you can contact the Direct Marketing Association and ask to be removed from their clients mailing lists. (This link is a bit flaky for some reason - keep trying it). They have a mail preference list that their clients 'clean' their mailings against. You will be amazed at how this drops the mailings. You can also write on each envelope you receive (if it has a return address) - "Return to Sender - remove from mailing list".

For telephone calls, also contact the Direct Marketing Association and ask to be removed from their clients calling lists - this is known as their telephone preference list. Again, you'll notice a dramatic drop in calling volume.

Whenever you are called, interrupt the pitch and be polite to the agent calling. Unless they are calling to collect on an unpaid debt you have the right to request that they remove you from all calling campaigns. Ask them to acknowledge they have heard you - but be polite. You can also ask to speak to their supervisor (but this usually just results in you being transferred to one of their buddies).

These folks are not paid much - in fact, many of these call centers are in very rural areas and it's about the only job available and helps make ends meet in depressed areas. I don't believe that any of the call center agents believe they are pursuing their dream careers. For example, many of MBNA's call centers are in rural parts of Maine.

Another point to remember is to ask for the name of the company that the caller works for - not who they are representing. Companies like First USA, MBNA, Cross Country Bank etc represent hundreds of 'affiliate' groups like universities, NASCAR etc. This will help you establish who is calling you on a regular basis - i.e. whose list you ended up on.

As a side note, the credit card companies typically do quite well in a down economy. Think interest rates! Stock information for MBNA is here just for interest - I'm not a stock picker myself.

Finally, any company can still contact you in the name of 'existing business relationship'. If you have ever purchased products from a particular company then it's hard to get them to stop sending you information or calling you. Pay close attention to any small print regarding privacy (especially with regard to 3rd party 'affiliates') when you make the purchase.

... and no, I don't work for any of these companies.
 
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We have 'fun' with telemarketers. My wife tells them she is interested but says to hold on just a second, she'll be right back. She then puts the phone next to the radio (music on hold) and proceeds to go on about her business. One held on 20 minutes, when she picked up the phone, he was still there and she asked him to hold 'just one more moment. . . . Other things include trying to barter with the salesman, you know. . . offer to trade three chickens for a magizine subscription. . . . my favorite is to talk-act like a four year old (my wife thinks I'm a natural at it ?!?) and really string them along. Finally, you ask them to hold on and that you have a call on the other line, then you make a click and say "Hey Charlie. . . I have some A-- Looser salesman on the phone, I'll have to call you back". Then click the phone and say"Now what did you want". . . they usually hang up. Just be creative and string them out. Getting angry and hanging up on them is no fun!

Steve
 
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The card companies claim tremendous losses every year on defaulted cards. But they fall all over themselves offering me a new one every day. Makes you wonder what kind of profits they REALLY make, eh?
 
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Here ya go ... for MBNA ...

<font color=blue>Net income for the three months ended March 31, 2001 increased 32.6% to $311.1 million or $.35 per common share, from $234.6 million or $.28 per common share for the same period in 2000. Earnings per common share amounts are presented assuming dilution.

The overall growth in earnings was primarily attributable to the growth in the Corporation's managed loans outstanding. The Corporation's average managed loans increased 22.2% to $88.0 billion for the three months ended March 31, 2001, as compared to $72.0 billion for the same period in 2000. Total managed loans at March 31, 2001 were $87.9 billion, a $14.9 billion increase from March 31, 2000</font color=blue>

And here's some more on outstanding loans and average interest rates ...

<font color=blue>Interest income generated by the Corporation's loan receivables increased $61.1 million to $658.4 million for the three months ended March 31, 2001, from the same period in 2000. The increase for the three months ended March 31, 2001 was primarily the result of an increase in average loan receivables of $1.3 billion from the same period in 2000. The yield earned by the Corporation for the three months ended March 31, 2001 on these loan receivables increased 45 basis points to 14.24% as compared to 13.79% for the same period in 2000. </font color=blue>

and finally what was the trend over the last 3 months ... looks like consumer spending is tightening up ...

<font color=blue>Domestic credit card loan receivables were $11.5 billion at March 31, 2001, as compared to $13.0 billion at December 31, 2000. The decrease in domestic credit card loan receivables at March 31, 2001 was primarily a result of Customer payments exceeding new sales and cash volume activity</font color=blue>

Hope this wasn't too dry and dense!! There's big money in credit cards!!
 
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When I was young, DrDan, and untrained and making minimum wages, I lived from cheque to cheque and had to borrow from the bank to pay off credit cards far too many times. Over time, I learned how to handle money and also kept getting better jobs until today, I buy almost everything with credit cards. I have a Mastercard that most of my purchases get racked up on ... and I get 1% back in "Gateway Moola" ... which I can spend on Gateway computers and accessories. In the past 3 years, I've spent enough on the card that I bought my wife a computer 2 months ago, as well as having bought a printer 2 years ago.
Of course ... I have never made an interest payment or any other sort of payment .... I spend nothing that isn't already sitting in high-interest savings.
While other don't blame the democrats ... well, I'm not benevolent ... plastic leaves a blazed trail ... and that's good for government (especially the IRS) ... and we all know that the socialist ... oops democrats are the party of Big Brother Government.

too bad that common sense ain't
 
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According to classic economic theory it's actually good capitalism - and is therefore more of a Republican ideal.

Five sets of needs are met for three stakeholders:

- The consumer wants to purchase now rather than later

- The merchant wants to sell now rather than later

- The merchant does not want to worry about managing credit and outstanding debt.

- The financier makes money on the short term loan

- Neither the consumer or merchant had to expend much effort.

Capitalism / the Republicans focus on the needs of the merchant and financier. If you look at the favorable rulings for the finance institutions you can see that capitalism rules right now.

The Democrats would focus on the needs of the consumer. When the tide turns and bankruptcy laws soften again to allow consumers to get away with buying goods and refusing to pay for them. Well, then the Dem's will be happy again.

The finance companies actually have a good point here. The bankruptcy laws - while designed to give people a second chance - should demand some accountability of the debtor. There are way too many people that run up debts and even though they remain in well paying positions, pursue bankruptcy to get debt forgiveness.

Since the advent of 'Bankruptcy - no problem!' type campaigns it is no longer clear who is the victim - sometimes seems like the banks are trying to get ripped off - but the banks do have a point. If there is no stigma or downside to bankruptcy anymore - and no effort to get out the other side of it - why not just keep going in and out of bankruptcy -- and keep the free stuff you bought on your unsecured credit card in the meantime?!

I believe that there is some legislation in the works to make life harder for that subset of people that declare bankruptcy who are of the 'can pay, won't pay' frame of mind.

Of course, we are all impacted because this is what your annual fees / interest rates are paying to cover. On top of that a couple of percent of the price you pay any merchant is actually going straight to the credit card companies as a merchants fee. So, even if you don't see it, you are still paying the price for debts that have to be written off ...
 
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Nope, I think I'm following. I would suggest that the drop in outstanding card debt was caused by new mortgage activity spurred by the drop in the prime rate. (Not that the prime rate has much to do with the mortgage rate you'll be required to pay at the bank, but people THINK it does). Everytime the media reports the prime dropped, there's a whole new surge of loan requests. (Until LAST time that is. Folks are still scratching their heads over that one.)

This spring has seen more mortgage activity per month than anytime since 1998. I've seen anywhere from 30-50% above my 3 year norm. A lot of those people were rolling credit card and automotive loans over into their mortgages. (Mortgage interest is tax deductable. This is NOT a favor from the Guvm'nt.)

SHF
 

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