Is there such a thing?

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staje

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So, the house we own used to owned by people unfamiliar with trash service. They chose to bury and burn their trash over an area of about an acre. I'd like to clean this area up so I can use it. The garbage I'm concerned with is mostly bigger than say a quarter (includes glass, old wood, cans, bottles, etc). I'm pretty sure it is mostly at or near surface level.

In my mind I'm imagining an implement that digs down a couple inches into the soil, the soil is then moved through the force of forward motion into a catch (maybe a cage or bag) that then sieves the soil letting the regular dirt through but catching all the debris.

Does any such thing exist?

Anastasia
 
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Hopefully you don't bump into anything hazardous. What you are describing for a tool is almost like an old time potato digger. It had a pointed blade that was lowered into the ground that transferred the dirt and potatoes to a conveyer where the dirt fell out and the potatoes continued over the top and fell onto the top of the dirt that was scooped up.It would have to be modified to allow smaller pieces of material to stay on the conveyer.
 
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The closest I am aware of would be the Harley Rake.
 
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There are Beach Cleaners that will sift out material > 3/8" in size, but they run ~$7000.
 
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How about maybe building a top soil sifter like a couple other guys here have done? You may have to play around with the mesh size, but I don't see why that wouldn't work. Do a search for it. I'd do it and post a link for you, but 'puters and me really don't get along very well. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Had a similar situation, our previous owner had a bunch of junk, cars, trucks, machines etc. sitting on about 3/4 acre at the back of the property. He hauled off the big stuff but didn't really clean up. Left many parts, trash and ruts. I ran around with the rippers down on my box blade to pull the junk to the surface and break up the soil. Then used my landscape rake to rake the junk into piles and level the ground. Was time consuming but it worked.
 
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We have encountered the same thing. When we started digging the foundation we found all of his house hold garbage. I still dig up beer cans all the time, we planted some trees this summer and in all most5 all the holes I found beer cans or soup cans.
 
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I would agree that a landscape rake is going to be your cheapest option that will be somewhat effective.

You will still end up pulling a bit of dirt and quite a few rocks.

- Rick
 
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I'm having trouble finding a picture of a Harley rake - any suggestions?
 
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Apart from being *way* beyond my skills, one of the issues is that the area is so large, I'm going to literally have to screen about a acre, and from what I can tell this would take a very long time - or maybe I don't understand it - that is also a possiblity....
 
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I hope not - so far it really just seems like junk. Cross my fingers. I was able to find pictures of a potato picker that is manual - still looking for something I could pull behind my little bx2230.
 
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<font color="blue"> I'm having trouble finding a picture of a Harley rake - any suggestions? </font>
Here is a good thread on Harley Rake. Click Here
 
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If you have a well, how close is this area to the well? You might consider having someone check and make sure no hazmat has contaminated your water.

If I were in your shoes, I'd feel torn between a couple of choices. On the one hand, I wouldn't want to invite the EPA to order me to to spend a fortune excavating 5K to 10K cu. yd. of toxic soil. On the other hand, I'd feel very nervous wondering whether my soil was loaded with enough toxins and carcinogens that my family would develop cancer, my children made infertile, or worse, that my grandchildren develop birth defects in utero. I think, I'd be most likely to have some testing done and though I dislike frivolous lawsuits, be prepared to litigate if the previous owners sold you something that should be their responsibility to clean up. Now it may not be this bad, and I'm not there to see it. Hopefully it isn't this bad, but I would urge caution. You also might want to think about whether plowing this soil up might stir up toxins and make them worse. If you were to rupture old batteries, radiators, electronic components, bottles full of medicines or cleaners, fuel or oil canisters etc., that could release lead, mercury, gas with MTB, trannie fluid, brake fluid, antifreeze, and who knows what all else into the soil. You have to make your own decisions, and it's not my place to tell you what you "ought to" or "should" do. If you let it sit for a little while, it most likely wouldn't get any worse while you do some checking around about what might be in there and what your options are. If you go straight to plowing it up, however, you couldn't reverse any effects that might come from ruptured containers, etc.

This is just one opinion and others have every right to disagree. I'd just recommend to do some careful thinking and option checking before taking action in the soil itself. Good luck; I hope it goes well.
 
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I hope that all you are dealing with is household garbage. It is not probable that you have what would be termed as hazardous waste on your property. Superfund looks at contamination as an analyte that is above three times background level and/or above certain benchmarks. I believe Region 9 RPGs are used in most areas.

If your well is constructed properly (if you have one) and is deeper then 80 feet, it is very unlikely you will have issues in your well from household garbage. On the whole, contaminated wells are caused by poor construction, storing chemicals and gas in the pump house, or by septic systems being too close to the well. Many of these contaminants are easily filtered out via a charcoal and sand filter.

Another thing you must consider is a likely route of exposure. For soils, the route of exposure is via ingesting the dirt. Children eat a lot more dirt then adults do. For most contaminants, skin contact is not enough to constitute an exposure. Exposures (in the eyes of Superfund) are viewed as long-term risks – i.e., exposure over 30 years. If there was an immediate danger to life and health, you would more then likely know it by now.

If you contact a company to perform a Phase I or Phase II investigation on your property, be prepared to shell out some money. If they find anything on your property, by law, they will have to notify the State. Once government agencies are involved, it can be a long, arduous, painful process.

If a government agency, State or EPA, find hazardous waste on your property at levels that are high enough to constitute an emergency removal, they can seek to recover their costs from the landowner for a period of ten years. A lien can be placed on your property and they may or may not seek to recover costs from previous owners. If you, in any way, shape, or form, attempt to do any clean up on your own, then you are, in effect, accepting responsibility for the wastes.

The EPA does not normally go after ‘innocent’ landowners, but with the cuts in the budget, they are seeking monies wherever they can find them.

Before I went out and spent money on soil and groundwater tests, I would start researching the history of my property. Often, you can find the clues you need without resorting to expensive chemical analysis. Talk with older folks in the area that might remember when and what was dumped there. See if an area college has a map archive that contains historic aerial photographs. Check out the previous owners on your title search and talk to them if they are still around.

Take note of what you are finding. If it is household garbage, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. If you start turning up 55-gallon drums or start discovering evidence of industrial waste, then I would be calling in some help.

If it is an old farm property, pesticides can be a concern. Usually, this is where pesiticides were mixed or empty containers dumped. If your home is in what was primarily an agricultural area, there can be elevated pesticides related to the legal application of pesticides. This is a pretty thorny issue with no real resolutions at the moment.

DDT, DDE, DDD, endrin, and toxaphene are often found in areas that used to be agriculture but are now residential. Lead arsenate (a lead arsenical compound) can be found in areas that used to be orchards.
 
 

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