Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota?

   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #241  
I almost hate to add to this hread but I would really force and be persistent on the welds issue. The fellow that stated weld standards include both quality and appearance is correct. I believe all Kubota B and L loaders are made in the USA.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #242  
That may have been true 10 years ago. But Japanese autos are no better quality than Domestics these days. I was a huge Toyota fan at one point, and had to deal with the beginning of the equalization of the playing field in the early 2000's.

That trend began precisely when many Japanese cars were no longer constructed in Japan (to appease U.S. trade concerns). Interestingly, the front-end loader at issue in this thread was constructed in the U.S. I don't think that loader would have been put on a boat and shipped off the island.

I am old enough to remember when Japanese products were junk. However, a Kubota tractor, Yanmar engine, or even the autos which are still manufactured and assembled in Japan are still unmatched in terms of build-quality. I don't know if it is culture or our trade-unions, but without question the Japanese produce a higher quality product that lasts many hours longer.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #243  
I don't 100% agree with the sentiment here. Both my Hondas are built in the USA. The quality and fit and finish is WELL above the domestics that my friend's drive from the same model years. 1999 and 2005 to be precise.

I believe the same to be true of Toyotas (and Honda's) that are built right here in Ontario as well vs. the GMCs and Fords that are also built here.

I think it simply boils down to the importance management puts on quality, quality control, quality of components vs. price. The big three have been squeezing their suppliers for some time now. Honestly I think they made a conscious decision to compete on price rather than quality.

I will admit that the fit and finish have markedly improved in the newest models of domestics. The interior of the newest GMC Sierra looks fabulous to me. I also think that most of GM's newest models look fabulous. I do hope that the quality has improved.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #244  
Hope Kubota does right by you Bandaman. With over 16000 views I think the message has reached the core of Kubota enthusiasts.

Maybe we should start a new thread on North America vs world quality of manufacturing.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #245  
the welds are terrible, terrible. I would NEVER buy anything that ugly!!!!

And these are not minor things.Maybe inside it is even worse. Obviously these people DO NOT CARE. They release such a disaster, which can be seen and judged!!!!!?????? What about the hidden stuff????

Amateur looking job......really, I'd say retarded amateur looking job. A person who did this has no knowledge , no pride , he is a joke. He and all his superiors and quality control should be fired. Immediately.

It is regretable, that some of you "approve" this kind of quality. DO you do the same lousy job at your workplace? I'd guess so!


Joe
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #246  
Maybe we should start a new thread on North America vs world quality of manufacturing.

That is pretty funny, since that issue is right below the surface of this entire discussion.

Like many of you, I do a good deal of research before I make purchases, and the data (manufacturing tolerances, failures, recalls, etc.) reflect that the highest quality of production-line items consistently emerges from the mainland of Japan and certain segments of western Europe. North American products (U.S. and Canada) are a second tier, followed closely by South Korea. China mass produces with low production costs as well as low quality (akin to post-war Japanese production up until the 70's). This is a bit frustrating because North American technical capabilities are very high and should transfer and reflect better in mass production quality.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #247  
That is pretty funny, since that issue is right below the surface of this entire discussion.

Like many of you, I do a good deal of research before I make purchases, and the data (manufacturing tolerances, failures, recalls, etc.) reflect that the highest quality of production-line items consistently emerges from the mainland of Japan and certain segments of western Europe. North American products (U.S. and Canada) are a second tier, followed closely by South Korea. China mass produces with low production costs as well as low quality (akin to post-war Japanese production up until the 70's). This is a bit frustrating because North American technical capabilities are very high and should transfer and reflect better in mass production quality.

Very true, but unfortunately, management most of the time has decided to put the shareholders first, production second, and quality somewhere in the middle. This has been the trend for almost 15 years in many US industries. It comes down to the bottom line, no more, no less, and as long as we continue to reward management with high bonuses, and forget about the workers performing the job, it will continue as he is ultimately responsible for his work, no one else. Furthermore, if he speaks up on the line about quality, it may be addressed once or twice, but he will soon be noticed as a trouble maker in a non union plant that is, and he will soon loose his job. In a union plant, the poor quality typically continues as it´s hard to remove someone for not performing their job.
Quality is everyone's job, not one person, it is reflected as a whole, it is a mindset of a company.
If you take a look at this example, you soon see how many people within the company had a chance to correct this issue. Sure it started with the welder, as in proper fit ups, rod selection, proper welding procedures and adherence. Then you had a quality inspector, where he accepted this work, then it continues down the assembly line, where more welding continued by another welder, he saw this, but yet he continued, or else he mentioned it to his peers, but it went on uncorrected, then you have the painters, who I am sure saw this work, then I figured there was a final QC hold on the whole unit which would consist of and overall visual inspection, and perhaps a functional test of the tractor, and yet we have what we have here. So to me, its more than jsut one person, its a company issue and why it was not addressed when it was observed by who knows how many people.
See quality is a mindset and it should be fundamental in any craft, it needs to be in the forefront and beyond anything else. And as Americans become more conscious on how their money is spent, many will look elsewhere if this poor craftsmanship continues (US autos for instance). It is also very, very hard to win them back once they have seen the light.
Only a fool remains loyal to a company in this day and age, for he will miss out on much of what others have to offer, and in many ways that loyalty is one sided, as in the bottom line!
 
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   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #248  
Yo me it appears that there is nothing wrong with those welds other than the fact that they weren't machine done. I have many pieces of equipment with welds like that that have served me well for years. It is actually easy to make a perfect apearing MIG weld that doesn't penetrate and has very low strength. I think your time would be better spent enjoying your tractor.

Andy
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #249  
At risk of beating a dead horse, I almost feel obligated to post these close-ups for a few of the guys that think I am a nut-job. Perfect is not what I am after here, strong, good looking, and free of corrosion trapping holes is all I need. Do these meet the criteria? I've got lots more pictures if needed.

You are far from a nut job. I cant beleive there are people on this thread that say there is no problem w/ these welds freaken ridiculous. absolutly horrible! I am no expert and have only 10 hrs. of welding under my belt (teaching myself) and I could do better work than that freakin crap. I hope all works out for you and your claim, based on these pics I cant see how it wouldnt
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #250  
Bandman, just wanted to share in your thread what I posted earlier in Farmall's thread, hope this can help you in your case. Good Luck!!!

Farmall45B, As I promised here are a few pics I took tonight of some of the welds on my B2620. I dont have electric yet in the barn and it gets dark here around 4:30pm so these are the best shots I could get. Although they dont show all weld locations this is a consistant on all of them they all look very similiar to the pics I have provided. Please note that the spots you see on pic 5 are not welding splats it is dirt. I have also recently looked at the thread started in this same section by Bandman titled is this acceptable quality on a new bota ..... If yours look anything like his than you have a very legitmate beef and I would not except anything but a new loader or a refund on the loader. After looking at mine tonight I cant believe they would even give out a product that looked liked his.

Hope this helps and feel free to use this in your case, I dont know if a picture shows this but I also checked and my tractor was built in Jefferson GA.

Best of luck and keep us posted
 

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