"It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child"

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   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #151  
huh? how is McDonald's responsible for a franchaise that might have a coffee maker with a bad thermostat? I highly doubt that McDonald's, as a corporation, "knowingly and willingly kept cioffee at dangerous temps" - that is totalyl absurd to even think that way.



Why is it some people insist on explaining their position based on hypothetical situations and imaginary concepts when reality speak strongly against their view?



I find something about this thread rather alarming too. Seems when we find ourselves in agreement with a jury's decision, we praise the legal system. When we disagree, it's a "jury of monkeys". Sometimes we have to have a little faith in that legal system and consider those jury members MIGHT have heard a few more facts than those of us who gather our "conclusive evidence" from google, 27 other websites, the National Enquirer, and Bubba Joe Johnson down at the neighborhood watering hole. Our legal system sure isn't perfect all the time, but at present, it's the best we have.
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #152  
Steve, I don't know why you're trying to steer this discussion back to tractor safety :)D) but I agree with you.

But I just had another thought. If coffee should never be hotter than Dan's magical 150 degrees......then why does anyone make coffee machines that make coffee hotter than 150 degrees? And why wasn't the maker of the coffee machine liable? If they make a machine that can go up to 180 degrees, which according to Dan and Rox is a clear cut matter of reckless endangerment and utter disregard for public safety, why didn't we drag those guys out into the street and stone them?

I mean seriously, they make machines that heat coffee for people to drink and also to hold in their laps while driving. Why is there a "180" setting on such a machine when everyone knows that coffee should never be hotter than 150? It staggers the imagination that these people are still free and walking our streets!

They knowingly ENGINEERED this public safety nuisance. Why did they do it? For what reason would their machine 'superheat' an other wise harmless liquid refreshment? How did they stand to gain from making machines that could make.......dan tan daaa....KILLER COFFEE?
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #153  
Steve, I don't know why you're trying to steer this discussion back to tractor safety :)D) but I agree with you.


Agreed.


Here's one of those golden moments where we all have an opportunity to practice what we preach, and exersize some of that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. It's very evident we have varying points of view on what temp coffee should be served at, and at what temperature point it becomes an attempt to destroy the basic fabric of society. :rolleyes:

Now..... Let's move on to a less caustic subject. Or better yet, RETURN to the original topic before this thread is banished to "padlock land".
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #154  
Why is it some people insist on explaining their position based on hypothetical situations and imaginary concepts when reality speak strongly against their view?

Right, but this sort of speculation has gone on with both sides of the argument. Rox had quite an elaborate imaginary scheme for how the coffee was so hot that it impeded the 'victim' from getting out of it. It demonstrates to me how easy 'jurers', on either side, can be manipulated. But I agree with you, there is no room for speculation when serious injuries and taking someone's property are concerned.



I find something about this thread rather alarming too. Seems when we find ourselves in agreement with a jury's decision, we praise the legal system. When we disagree, it's a "jury of monkeys".

For one thing, a legal system can be right and it can be wrong. If we cheer when it is right and boo when it is wrong, then we are on track. And I firmly believe in the now nearly extinct concept that there is a right and a wrong. My apologies to the relativists.

Sometimes we have to have a little faith in that legal system and consider those jury members MIGHT have heard a few more facts than those of us who gather our "conclusive evidence" from google, 27 other websites, the National Enquirer, and Bubba Joe Johnson down at the neighborhood watering hole. Our legal system sure isn't perfect all the time, but at present, it's the best we have.

This presumes a properly functioning legal system. I personally think ours is badly broken, especially in terms of the civil side of things. A few high rpofile cases define how broken our system is. An obviously guilty man, OJ, with overwhelming evidence against him is exonerrated of criminal charges (LA rejoices) but he is then found liable in civil court for murder. Rodney King is visciously beaten by a crowd of armed officers. It is caught on video tape. The defense attorney explains to the jury that what they are seeing on the video type is not what is really happening. A jury buys it. Cowardly officers are freed. LA burns. A woman dumps hot coffee in her lap and is granted millionaire status for her efforts.

You might claim that these are unusual examples but a legal system has to be fair for everyone. Not just rich people, not just white people, not just victims of personal ignorance, not just corporations. The high profile cases are high profile for a reason. They represent our legal system to the people who live under it.

Our system is a great one. Maybe the best in the world. But it is not above reproach. It is not above scrutiny. It is not above or beyond repair. I think it is our duty to pay attention and priase the system when it get things right and to condemn it when it allows trained monkeys to supervent justice for reasons that are not relative to the case.
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #155  
I'll definitely never let the child riding on my lap on the tractor hold 180 degree coffee in his/her lap!

BTW: Why has no one mentioned the absolute worst problem with McD coffee? It sucks...

(This thread has definitely turned into a hoot)
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #156  
BTW: Why has no one mentioned the absolute worst problem with McD coffee? It sucks...

I'll have to take your word for it since I'm not a coffee drinker. But it makes sense, everything else they make stinks too. Have you seen a Big Mac lately? It aint big. The 'meat' patties are the size of half dollars. They used to make good fries, but I have no idea of they are still good. The service has always been so bad in every McDonalds I've ever been in that I vowed about ten years ago never to go to one again. I broke my vow about a year ago when they came back out with the McRib....that virtually meatless tribute you synthetic food that I find absolutely delicious. I went through the drive thru and ordered my McRib. When I got to the window they asked for my money and asked me to pull over and park since they had no McRibs ready...even though it was supper time and there were McRib ads plastered all over the place. I took my money back and drove away. Even a McRib is not good enough to ever entice me back into a McDonalds again.

(This thread has definitely turned into a hoot)

Pure entertainment!
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #157  
Thought I would keep on subject:

Next time I am summoned for jury service, think I will ride to the court house on my new JD 5325 (If I ever get it picked up).
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #158  
Thought I would keep on subject:

Next time I am summoned for jury service, think I will ride to the court house on my new JD 5325 (If I ever get it picked up).

Hopefully with a cup holder bolted, welded, and hose clamped to the ROPS with a cup of HOT coffee in it.

Pat
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #159  
Right, because if you have that hot cup of coffee in your lap...... you will automatically be selected for jury duty. And we all know what that means.
 
   / "It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child" #160  
Right, because if you have that hot cup of coffee in your lap...... you will automatically be selected for jury duty. And we all know what that means.

Yes, it means you have an opportunity to do your civic duty, raise the average IQ and deliberative capability of the panel, and give both sides the benefit of your wisdom.

I have only been on one jury and frankly I shudder to think how off the track the jury would have been had I not spoken out to bring some logic to the process. It makes me want to avoid having a jury make decisions effecting me.

Pat
 
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