JD 3038E vs Kubota L3200

[lutt]

I don't think anybody has suggested the facts and figures as anything other than a baseline. Seems most folks are suggesting trying a bunch of different models until you find what looks/feels right. Still, if you need a particular capability, and haven't looked at those baseline numbers, you might wind up with a machine that won't do the tasks you require. Saying "Oops, this won't lift the round bales I need to move" would be a bad way to start out with a new machine because you didn't look at those baseline specs. Not saying this applies to you, but it does seem to be a common theme that the Deere zealots are the worst about claiming "those are just numbers" when the green machine is on the short end of specs, and they revert to boasting about dealer network, parts support, "better" engineering, and other stuff you can't quantify. Just so the Deere fans don't get too mad at me, I wouldn't be overly worried about plastic fenders...they even use them on full-size backhoes now.

i didn't say baseline wasnt something to go by, I agree that is just a baseline . I see a lot of numbers thrown around on here for various lifts and capacities. Some tractors will do more than the manufactures claims, some will do less, I really see this in hydraulics. We run our bin unloading augers, bin augers, and belt veyers off a 5000 series Deere,we have tried case and new holland in the same size, 85 horse, they can't handle it, but they have never been known to have strong as hydraulics in there tractors, on paper, yes, real world no. That is just one example. Far as buying a tractor for moving round bales, that's common sense, There are not many tractors in the compact segment that can handle them, most people who bale got a pretty good idea of what there gonna use. None of that affects average Joe homeowner who needs a small tractor. As far as why people are deere loyal, it's is because of parts support, you can still go get parts for your old 2 popper Deere at your dealer, those tractors are 50 year old or older now, there is still a lot of them in use today on farms! I've been dealing with parts for agriculture for 25 years, from all the major players, Deere has them beat. As far as availability and how fast they get them. That is my part if the country. They also have better resale, that is easy to see if you are not a Deere owner! Also they have been around since 1836, you got to give them credit for that. And also do you know how many people grew up on the family farm that had a lold Deere tractor and equipment? Thousands, that is why there so proud. I'm not hung up on any major brand, but I call them how I see them, they all have flaws, and yes you got to pick the one YOU LIKE. Also, since your a LS guy, maybe you can figure this out, my local New holland dealer who my family has bought ag parts from since the fifties, sell new holland and mahindra compacts. When you go in there to get a compact they rather sell you a mahindra as a new holland, they say less problems, better warranty, and easier to get parts for, now LS makes compact new Hollands, what do you say? LUTT

 

[TSO]

When you go in there to get a compact they rather sell you a mahindra as a new holland, they say less problems, better warranty, and easier to get parts for, now LS makes compact new Hollands, what do you say? LUTT

Using this forum as a baseline for tractor quality & durability, I see the opposite to be true. If you search the LS, NH & Case forums, you will find VERY FEW reports of actual problems with LS tractors. Are they perfect? No, of course not... but they appear to be one of the least problematic brands around.

I don't know this to be true, but I would wonder if there's a different reason that particular dealer is pushing Mahindra. I would suspect their profit margin might be better. That is merely a guess.

It wouldn't be the first time that a dealer has been dishonest in order to push one color over another ... even if they do carry more than one brand. There's even a dealer on this forum that has admitted to being dishonest with customers if it had suited his purposes.

 

[murphy1244]

The New Holland Dealer by me carry's Kioti but just dropped Mahindra last year?

 

[94BULLITT]

Using this forum as a baseline for tractor quality & durability, I see the opposite to be true. If you search the LS, NH & Case forums, you will find VERY FEW reports of actual problems with LS tractors. Are they perfect? No, of course not... but they appear to be one of the least problematic brands around.

I don't know this to be true, but I would wonder if there's a different reason that particular dealer is pushing Mahindra. I would suspect their profit margin might be better. That is merely a guess.

It wouldn't be the first time that a dealer has been dishonest in order to push one color over another ... even if they do carry more than one brand. There's even a dealer on this forum that has admitted to being dishonest with customers if it had suited his purposes.

There are very few LS owners on the forum.

 

[TSO]

There are very few LS owners on the forum.

Not sure about that ... the LS forum is pretty busy compared to some of other forums on here. Lots of new members. Then consider all the NH, Case, Montana, McCormick, & FarmTrac owners here that have LS machines.

There may be more LS owners than we realize.

 

[GManBart]

There are very few LS owners on the forum.

You can say based upon what objective measure? Sure are a lot of "New LS threads" popping up....more than some legacy brands actually.

 

[94BULLITT]

You can say based upon what objective measure? Sure are a lot of "New LS threads" popping up....more than some legacy brands actually.

Look at the first page on the Kubota or JD forum and see how active it is. The first page on the LS forum goes back to 2-23-14. The majority of the " legacy brand" forums are more active than the LS forum.

 

[GManBart]

Also, since your a LS guy, maybe you can figure this out, my local New holland dealer who my family has bought ag parts from since the fifties, sell new holland and mahindra compacts. When you go in there to get a compact they rather sell you a mahindra as a new holland, they say less problems, better warranty, and easier to get parts for, now LS makes compact new Hollands, what do you say? LUTT

Owning an LS doesn't make me an "LS guy", although I do like mine. I'm a tractor guy. I like my MF just as much as my LS, does that make me an LS, or an MF guy????

If you were a salesman, and had to pick which machine to suggest to potential customers, would you sell the more expensive (Mahindra), or the less expensive one (LS)?

The guy running the maintenance shop at my dealer says he prefers LS over Kioti (they sell both), because they make him feel like the Maytag repair man....he looks them over, sends them out, and never sees them again.

I have yet to be impressed with the level of knowledge of anybody in tractor sales...they rarely seem to know much about the machines they sell, much less the ones they don't sell.

 

[GManBart]

Look at the first page on the Kubota or JD forum and see how active it is. The first page on the LS forum goes back to 2-23-14. The majority of the " legacy brand" forums are more active than the LS forum.

Oh, so it's not an objective measure after all. Thanks, that's what I thought.

I just looked at the first page of both the Kubota and LS forums, and the Kubota first page is 2/26. The LS first page is 2/24....not exactly a massive difference. I also noticed that in the owning/operating section of the Kubota forum, 12 of the 20 threads on the first page were dealing with problems....leaks, buckets that won't dump, starters that won't work, etc, etc.

The first page on the Deere forum goes back to 2/17!

The first page on the NH forum goes back to 12/30/13

The first page on the MF forum goes back to 1/10

The first page on the Mahindra forum goes back to 1/18 :confused2:

I'm sorry, did you just say that the majority of the legacy brand forums are more active than the LS forum? Oops...guess you didn't actually, you know, check that first huh?

By your logic, if you look at the first two pages of the Kubota, Deere, and LS buying forums, there are four "new tractor" threads in the LS section, three in the Kubota section, and one in the Deere section....guess there must be more new LS owners than new Deere or Kubota owners. They do say consumers are getting a lot smarter as time goes by....

 

[94BULLITT]

Oh, so it's not an objective measure after all. Thanks, that's what I thought.

I just looked at the first page of both the Kubota and LS forums, and the Kubota first page is 2/26. The LS first page is 2/24....not exactly a massive difference. I also noticed that in the owning/operating section of the Kubota forum, 12 of the 20 threads on the first page were dealing with problems....leaks, buckets that won't dump, starters that won't work, etc, etc.

The first page on the Deere forum goes back to 2/17!

The first page on the NH forum goes back to 12/30/13

The first page on the MF forum goes back to 1/10

The first page on the Mahindra forum goes back to 1/18 :confused2:

I'm sorry, did you just say that the majority of the legacy brand forums are more active than the LS forum? Oops...guess you didn't actually, you know, check that first huh?

By your logic, if you look at the first two pages of the Kubota, Deere, and LS buying forums, there are four "new tractor" threads in the LS section, three in the Kubota section, and one in the Deere section....guess there must be more new LS owners than new Deere or Kubota owners. They do say consumers are getting a lot smarter as time goes by....

We must not be looking at the same forum. When I look under Kubota Owning operating all the threads I see say the las post was yesterday. JD is 3-2. Kioti 3-2 Mahindra 2-25, MF 2-27, TYM 2-25