JD 4010 vs 2210/2305

[DrRod]

I compared the 4110 and 2210 before buying a 4110. Speaking subjectively, the 4110 is just much more of a real tractor. You sit up higher (great for overgrown field work) and can really feel the heft of the machine. It is also surprisingly manuverable with very tight turning radius. The 2210 reminds me of what is sometimes called an "estate" tractor -- it does a lot of tough jobs but it leans toward the residential side of things less than the agricultural/industrial side of things. I think a quick drive around the dealer's lot on each will give you the best sense of what's right for you.

 

[Marko]

In 2002 , I pd $13,900 US dollars for :

4110 HST
410 Loader with 61" bucket
R4's all around with the rears filled.

 

[JTC]

A little over 2 years ago, I paid about $12,500 for my 4010 with 410 FEL, ballast box, R4's and 54" MMM. This was about $2,000 less than I could get a 4110 at the time. More power would be great but I can do everything that I have wanted to do. FEL break-out force has met my expectations, I wish it dumped faster. It has exceeded my expectation when mowing.

I chose the 4010 over the 2210 for ground clearance, traction and differential brakes which I've found to be essential when plowing snow on my steep curvy driveway.

Jim

 

[RalphVa]

I paid $13,600 for my 4010 HST with FEL, LX4 and toothbar almost exactly 1 year ago.

Haven't needed or wanted anything more except for the soil ripper noted below. Have used it to move those 20+ tons of gravel to put along my trails to keep it from slipping down the mountain, mowing trails a lot, some bush hogging and generally using it as a big wheelbarrow.

The soil ripper rig once fitted with opposed discs solved my problem of how to make raised rows. You can buy disc hillers to do the same thing, but I got mine free from a buddy with an old JD M who works in a machine shop and could adapt it and the discs, etc.

Did the 50 hour service myself. Not a big deal except for removing a rear tire to get the 3 ph bar out of the way of the hydraulic filter cap and figuring out how to get the fuel filter off and own. Both were relatively easy once I learned what had to be done. One of the reasons for getting a smaller tractor is they can be worked on without being a gorrilla. I'm not. One reasons why I went to the JD to replace my Gravely. It requires a gorilla to operate it with ease.

Only sheared the shear bolt on the LX4 once so far with near 100 hours on the tractor.

Just recently bought a KK carryall and am fixing it up with bottom and removable sides. It'll be more manueverable than using my old Gravely cart on the back for bigger hauling chores, e.g. ones needing a bigger wheelbarrow than the FEL.

It's a great tractor. The 2210 is more an over-powered mowing tractor and is better if you want to do MMMowing with it because of the position indicator gizmo, but it's missing the cruise control that I use a lot on the 4010 and the dual brakes that are useful when snow plowing (with the FEL, if down force is used).

Think there's an oil cooler beneath the 2210 that is vulnerable. The only thing underneath that I'm had a problem with on the higher-up 4010 is the metal cover for the front PTO. It came off once, not put on there too well in my estimation, but not something that's critically needed.

Some of the older 4010s seemingly had the U-joint between the engine and the hydraulics affixed with a roll pin that would shear. My model year seems to not have that, as its U joint is on a splined shaft out of the engine and is welded to the shaft to the hydraulic area.

Oh, not only are the weights of the 2210 and 4010 equal, but their heights with fixed ROPS are almost identical. This is another reason why I went with the 4010. It'll fit underneath both my garage doors and the double doors in the basement of my garage (e.g. carriage house). This is with turf tires. R-1s or R-4s might take it up possibly too high.

Ralph

 

[jayhaitch]

Curious-er and curious-er said Alice to the Cheshire cat..... I went back to the big JD dealer today. The 2305 was in the showroom, so I'm sitting on it making brum-brum noises and a pleasant young salesman starts talking to me. I ask about the 4000 series, and he says we have a 4110 left we want to get rid of since the new models are coming. Curiosity piqued, I go see. The key is in the ignition! Like a black bear to a 55 gal drum filled with donuts, I can't resist. I do ask first, and sure, of course I can demo it. Yee-hah! I love it!

The FEL was smooth and surprisingly quick, the 3 point lever had a feature I don't know the name of, but it's numbered, and moving the lever to each number immediately moves the 3 point to that position and holds it there, no guessing. I couldn't believe how tight the turning circle was. The rear wheel did hop on the gravel surface though with max turning. And it has .1 hours on it!

The saleman gave me his card prior, and he was busy with another customer, so I emailed him tonight requesting a quote on this machine. I hope the numbers are good! They have 0% financing for 30 months, and he'll store it for me until summer for no charge.

Just for everyone's info, the 2305 was quoted as $13,477, FEL (200CX) $3800, 54" MMM $1700, 62" MMM $2200, IMATCH quick hitch attachment $343, 48" tiller $2500, landscape rake with gauge wheels $1000, all Canadian dollars.

The salesman said he's specializing in grounds care/suburban homeowner machines, as there's so much growth in that part of Manitoba with people out of the city onto acreage. I was always a little concerned about lousy service if I bought a sub-CUT/CUT from a big ag dealer used to selling multi-hundred thousand dollars machines. I guess no worries now. I'll keep everyone informed.

 

[JDFANATIC]

Jay,

That numbered thing on the 3PH is called "position control" it is a nice thing to have, as you can return the implement to the same height setting. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sounds like that 4110 might just be the machine for you! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MN_Bob]

Good luck with the 4110 quote.

I will share my experience with my 4010 (in case you end up going back to that model).

I've had my 4010 for 3 years. I have the bucket, 54 inch mower, 5 foot box blade and 50 inch mechanical tiller.

Many people caution against the 14 PTO HP. Soil conditions will vary greatly, but I have used the tiller for 3 primary purposes.

1. Each spring and fall I till my neighbors 100 X 300 foot garden. Obviously this soil is easy to till so at the deepest setting I hardly know the tiller is back there.

2. I moved my driveway (basically putting grass where there was once rock and rock where there was once grass). The tractor had no problem breaking up the sod.

3. I converted about an acre of former pasture to lawn. During this project I was glad to have the extra height the 4010 provides over sub-cuts as the pasture was very uneven. The tractor had enough power to convert this very rough area to smooth lawn.

Now--if you are converting 2 acres of hard clay to lawn--the 4010 may not have enought PTO HP. I personally have never witnessed the lack of PTO power that many will caution about.

In addition to the projects--now the main function of this tractor (in order of time spent).

1. Mowing Lawn
2. Snow removal
3. Leaf collection
4. Maintain 500-600 foot gravel drive using the boxblade.

Good luck in your search.

 

[jayhaitch]

I've got the quote! All numbers are Can $:

JD4110 with 48" 647 tiller, 54" MMM, 410 FEL= $23,899, $29,480 list price. Taking out the extras, they want $15,899 for the 4110 itself. Total price is 18.9% off list.

This spring, I was quoted $20,165 for a Case DX18E with FEL and 54" MMM, $19,564 for Massey GC2300 with FEL/MMM (plus freight and set up whatever that costs....), and $17,800 for a Kubota BX2230 with FEL/MMM.

This is not an insignificant dollar difference, but I'm willing to pay more to get more. It seems to me the 4110 would allow me to do enough extra to be worth it. What does everyone think about these prices in comparision to each machine?

 

[Cliff_Johns]

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Well, It still seems like your comparing a CUT with a series of sub-cuts and price difference seems small for what you getting. I think if you're feeling like you like the 4110 for its ground clearance, position control etc. then you should go for it. It's unlikely you'll wish you'd bought smaller, but the opposite often happens. I am biased, I have a 4110 and am very pleased with it's nimble, yet effective useful size. The percent off list is quite nice.


Cliff

 

[RalphVa]

Last year at the dealer I bought from, the 4010 was $300 less than a 2210. A 4110 was $2000 more than a 4010.

Ralph