JD hyd fluid specs

[cowsrus]

Had a hose come loose on my jd tractor and lost all my hyd fluid. My tractor manual calls for HY-GARD JDM 20c or JDM 20d. I've always used a universal hyd fluid and it is listed as for JD20a/b/303/ HY-GARD. Is the jdm 20c just a new jd number or is it a different fluid than the other. Confusing, but the difference in price is $25. for the universal vs $56. a 5 gal bucket for the jd fluid

 

[beenthere]

If me, I'd buy the Deere fluid. Small price to pay, in my opinion.

 

[CurlyDave]

Around here, even the Wally World universal is ~$50, and Costco is $45 for 5 gal.

I would be very suspicious of anything that was only $25.

 

[oldtractors]

Usually, right beside the universal hydraulic fluid is "replaces" John Deere hydraulic fluid for the same price. That stuff should at least meat the J20C specs, which are not the same at all as J20A/B.

John Deere Hy-Gard is J20C with better antiwear and better brake chatter additives. All Deere requires is J20C, but Hy-Gard is much better than that.

 

[cowsrus]

I went ahead and bought the JD HY-GARD, it was $55. for 5 gal. The service manager told me the other would be ok but later on if something went wrong, i would always wonder if that was it. So anyways i'm set for now. Thanks guys

 

[Wayne County Hose]

JD always tries to scare people into using their fluids.

 

[Spudland_Dave]

JD always tries to scare people into using their fluids.

Theres some truth to that, BUT...$55.00 for good quality oil in a JD pail that is "guaranteed" to work or $55.00 for "should be ok" oil....

Yeah I know you can go buy generic branded oils of questionable quality for less, but any brand name good stuff is right in line if not more then the pail of JD stuff. Go price out Donax TD or Mobilfluid TD (or similar brands/qualities)....it was CHEAPER for me to go with the Deere stuff and sleep easy at night.

I will say that more then a few people I know all say the same thing, use OEM oil in your Deere/Kubota/CaseIH.....I've had personal experiences which prove it too...

 

[IceStationZebra]

John Deere HY-GARD is a copy of IH Hy-tran. One big advantage these oils have over J20a/b/c, ISO32/ISO46 hydraulic oil, engine oil and ATF is how they deal with water. They were designed to be able to sit in an unused machine for extended periods of time and keep the components from rusting. If that sounds like you - invest the money.

ISZ

 

[RickB]

John Deere HY-GARD is a copy of IH Hy-tran. One big advantage these oils have over J20a/b/c, ISO32/ISO46 hydraulic oil, engine oil and ATF is how they deal with water. They were designed to be able to sit in an unused machine for extended periods of time and keep the components from rusting. If that sounds like you - invest the money.

ISZ

HyGuard and HyTran have completely different viscosity profiles. They are quite different oils and are not cross-compatible except to those who think "oil is oil, it all comes from a hole in the ground".

 

[oldnslo]

HyGuard and HyTran have completely different viscosity profiles. They are quite different oils and are not cross-compatible except to those who think "oil is oil, it all comes from a hole in the ground".

You might want to tell that to IH and Deere since if you look at there spec pages they list them as being compatable. NOTE: CNH MS-1209 & MS 1210 are HyTran

Applications

Hy-Gard hydraulic/transmission oil provides the best performance and wear protection for John Deere hydraulic and transmission systems.

Recommended for equipment with either common system reservoirs or separate transmission and hydraulic systems, including those with wet brakes and wet clutches.


Service Ratings

AGCO
Massey Ferguson: M1135, M-1141,
M1139, M-1143
White: MQ-1722, Q1766, Q-1766B,
Q-1802, Q-1826
Allis-Chalmers, Deutz-Allis, AGCO Allis:
Power Fluid 821XL
CNH
Case, Case-IH: MS-1207, MS-1209,
MS-1210, MS-1
Ford/New Holland: ESN-M2C41-B,
M2C134-D, M2C48-B, M2C48-C,
M2C159-B/C, 159B/C, M2C86-B,
FNHA-2-C-200, FNHA-2-C-201
Caterpillar: TO-2
Clark: MS68
Deutz: Hydraulic transmission fluid
Dresser: Transmission hydraulic fluid
(HMS B806-0002)
Eaton Hydraulic Division: Hydraulic transmission (Form3-401-123)
IHC: B-6
John Deere: All-weather hydraulic fluid
(JDM J21A)
Kubota: UDT hydraulic transmission fluid, Super UDT
Oliver: Type 55
Sunstrand: Hydrostatic transmission
Zetor: OT-H, GL-4
ZF: TE-ML03E, 06D, 06E



Test Analysis

Viscosity @ 40ｰC................... 59 cSt
Viscosity @ 100ｰC................. 9.4 cSt
Viscosity index.................. 140
Density............................. 0.89 g/cm3
Pour point......................... -40ｰC
Flash point......................... 227ｰC

 

[Spudland_Dave]

Regardless of specs, compatibility, ford vs chevy debate, etc... I have to laugh....
Here people are, spending 20k +/- on a tractor and they're looking to save 10/20 bucks on a pail of oil....Actually if you buy a GOOD oil, you're not saving a penny as they are all around the same price point. After the 100 hour break in (you dont have a choice on the oil it came with ) and you get 400 hours on an trans oil change, how much more does it REALLY cost...

As a note...I couldnt find anywhere where HyTran Ultra meets the Deere HyGard specs...Other then various CaseIH specs, it appears to me it only meets CAT TO-2 and Allison C-3 specs...You have a link for those specs? I couldnt find it anywhere here: http://hytranman.com/hytran_specs.php


IMO if you dont have the money to put good oil in, you shouldnt have bought the tractor in the first place.

 

[RickB]

You might want to tell that to IH and Deere since if you look at there spec pages they list them as being compatable. NOTE: CNH MS-1209 & MS 1210 are HyTran

Applications

Hy-Gard hydraulic/transmission oil provides the best performance and wear protection for John Deere hydraulic and transmission systems.

Recommended for equipment with either common system reservoirs or separate transmission and hydraulic systems, including those with wet brakes and wet clutches.


Service Ratings

AGCO
Massey Ferguson: M1135, M-1141,
M1139, M-1143
White: MQ-1722, Q1766, Q-1766B,
Q-1802, Q-1826
Allis-Chalmers, Deutz-Allis, AGCO Allis:
Power Fluid 821XL
CNH
Case, Case-IH: MS-1207, MS-1209,
MS-1210, MS-1
Ford/New Holland: ESN-M2C41-B,
M2C134-D, M2C48-B, M2C48-C,
M2C159-B/C, 159B/C, M2C86-B,
FNHA-2-C-200, FNHA-2-C-201
Caterpillar: TO-2
Clark: MS68
Deutz: Hydraulic transmission fluid
Dresser: Transmission hydraulic fluid
(HMS B806-0002)
Eaton Hydraulic Division: Hydraulic transmission (Form3-401-123)
IHC: B-6
John Deere: All-weather hydraulic fluid
(JDM J21A)
Kubota: UDT hydraulic transmission fluid, Super UDT
Oliver: Type 55
Sunstrand: Hydrostatic transmission
Zetor: OT-H, GL-4
ZF: TE-ML03E, 06D, 06E



Test Analysis

Viscosity @ 40ｰC................... 59 cSt
Viscosity @ 100ｰC................. 9.4 cSt
Viscosity index.................. 140
Density............................. 0.89 g/cm3
Pour point......................... -40ｰC
Flash point......................... 227ｰC

I wonder what "service rating" is supposed to mean? Pretending that HyGard can be used in place of NH 200A and Kubota SUDT in applications where the advantages of a low-viscosity hydraulic oil are REQUIRED is ludicrous. Especialy whan Deere markets its own low- vis Hygard which isn't listed in the "service rating" list.

Smoke & mirrors.

 

[relaqbr]

I wonder what "service rating" is supposed to mean? Pretending that
...
are REQUIRED
...
is ludicrous.
...
Smoke & mirrors.

You all should take this elsewhere.

"Oil, Fuel & Lubricants
The Never-Ending Discussion of Oils, Fuels and Lubricants Continues Here..."

Bob

 

[RickB]

You all should take this elsewhere.

"Oil, Fuel & Lubricants
The Never-Ending Discussion of Oils, Fuels and Lubricants Continues Here..."

Bob

Or drop it entirely.

 

[IceStationZebra]

"I couldnt find anywhere where HyTran Ultra meets the Deere HyGard specs"

Do you honestly think Ford is going to recommend GM oil? Same thing. One easy way to check is to look at 3rd party oils. They will list the relevant JD, Kubota, IH, etc. spec numbers they meet so you can use them like a cross reference. Just do your due diligence and check more than one source in case one of them gets a little "creative" with their compatibility claims.

ISZ

 

[Spudland_Dave]

"I couldnt find anywhere where HyTran Ultra meets the Deere HyGard specs"

Do you honestly think Ford is going to recommend GM oil? Same thing. One easy way to check is to look at 3rd party oils. They will list the relevant JD, Kubota, IH, etc. spec numbers they meet so you can use them like a cross reference. Just do your due diligence and check more than one source in case one of them gets a little "creative" with their compatibility claims.

ISZ

Umm....If you go to JDParts and look up HyGard you can see ALL the specs it lists... So I can see where HyGard meets HyTran specs, but not vice versa...

Your analogy is a little off...Ford wont Reccomend GM oil, but for WILL certianly say that their Motorcraft oil meets GM specs, Dodge Specs, etc, if in fact it does... so they can sell their oil. Nowhere in my posts did I say anything about IH Reccomending JD oil or vice versa... I just said I could not find anywhere in any CIH litrature regarding HyTran where it met HyGard specs.

3rd Party oils dont decode the mystery either...some of those oils are "Jacks of all trades, master of none"....when you get into the high end oils like I mentioned, you're at the same price point if not MORE then what you'd pay for a pail of HyGard, HyTran, or UDT.

Saving $25.00 in a transmission oil change on a $30k pice of equipment is just as they say "stepping over dollars to pick up pennies"

 

[widetractman]

Guys I too would like to buy $25-$30 5 gal pails instead of $55+ HYGARD hyd fluid for my J D tractors and dozer, But its all about additive pkg's, mostly best anti-wear aditive AKA-- ZINC. Go to Oils and fuels for more info on who it appears blends John Deere's HYGARD Hyd oil or Email me.

 

[CheapFluidsReally]

JD always tries to scare people into using their fluids.

All I can say is read the specs. This cheap Super s fluid states that it is not for anything newer than 1974 right on their web site. SUPER S SUPER TRAC 33 TRACTOR HYDRAULIC FLUID: Smitty's Supply, Inc.

They have also been sued. It is cheaper to buy good quality fluids then it is to pay for costly repairs or even replacing your equipment.

 

[CheapFluidsReally]

Read the specs...here on the web site for the "CHEAP" Super S hydraulic fluid it states that their fluid is not recommended for anything newer than 1974. SUPER S SUPER TRAC 33 TRACTOR HYDRAULIC FLUID: Smitty's Supply, Inc.

It is always cheaper to buy better fluids then it is to pay for costly repairs or to replace your equipment.