jd vs. kubota
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DaveInColorado
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On the Kubota vs. JD hydro pedals: I have the Kubota BX - looked at the JD. It really isn't an issue. I just rest my heel on the back of the pedal to move backwards, then put my toe on the forward part of the pedal to go forwards. I'm really quick on it now - kind of like when you watch someone who really knows what they are doing when working a skid steer. The foot doesn't rest on the whole pedal. The foot mostly rests on the deck of the tractor. It works great!
bigpete
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I think I would have adjusted to the Kubota pedal arrangement, and probably to the loader control lever, too.
Since I use a front blade in snow, having the SCV control stay with the tractor was important. More importantly, when I bought my 2210, the BX was still the BX2200. The differences in 3-PH dimensions and utility steered me strongly to the JD. Did Kubota address the lift arm width and length of the 3-PH on the BX2300?
Since I use a front blade in snow, having the SCV control stay with the tractor was important. More importantly, when I bought my 2210, the BX was still the BX2200. The differences in 3-PH dimensions and utility steered me strongly to the JD. Did Kubota address the lift arm width and length of the 3-PH on the BX2300?
WayneW
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Just my .02. (Ok, maybe $1.50)
I also looked at the 2210 outside on the Deere lot for a bit, then went inside to inquire. To echo another posters remark, they just simply did not have time for me. I told them that I was considering the 2210 and the Kubota BX2230 as well as the B7510. His comment was pretty much that Kubota is clearly NOT a Deere, parts are not as readily avail as a Deere and are just simply NOT comparible to a Deere.
The 2210 was quoted $2,000 more than the BX2230 (FEL,60 MMM, well 62" on the 2210). I asked if this included the $300 rebate that was on Deere's web site if 2 implements were purchased. (FEL,MMM) He said it did. I then asked about the larger 4110 I saw on the lot also. He told me that it was (and I quote) "Out Of My League". Fine. I went back outside to look again. (He apparently was not interested enough to follow me out to point out Deere's superiority.) I liked the tach and the 10" front rims. Liked the overall fit & finish. The side by side pedel design seemed "natural". A couple of little things that bugged me for $2,000 more. Lights. Didn't really like the 2 plain headlights and really did not like the absense of rear taillights on the rear fenders. They (the fenders) just looked too plain. Functionality has little to do with this, they were just quips. I mean even garden tractors at SEARS have stickers for taillights.
Back I went inside, and explained that for the price of the 2210, I was not far from comparing it to a Kubota B7510/302 FEL/MMM. (about $250) Once again, he said that I could not compare the two. I said EXACTLY. And left the store.
Years ago I bought a Scotts lawn tractor (made by Deere) from Home Depot. Before I made the purchase, I went to the same dealer to compare the green color to the Scotts orange. The comparible Deere (I believe is was a Saber) was more $$$ than H.D. I was told that the Scotts was inferior and I would NEVER be able to get parts for it. I went with my gut feeling (knowing that the 2 were the same) and got the Scotts. 5 years later I have bought all my replacement parts from a small local repair shop under....get this an LT155.
My point is that they lost a sale to me 5 yrs ago, and they lost a sale to me recently. I really did like the 2210 over the BX. If they were close in dollars and the dealer had like an 89% better attitiude, I would have bought it. Instead, I thought that if I were to spend that kind of money, I'd be much better off with a B7510. I suppose looking back, it really made the B7510 that much more attractive......I mean it was almost a sale for the B7510...directed unintentionally from a Deere dealer.
Now this is not a huge hammer in Deere. I liked the product very much. It is more like a hammer on the Dealer and Deere's pricing strategy. Unfortunatly I don't have any other Deere dealers in the area, though I did call a couple some distance away and got similar quotes....though a little better attitude.
THis has been my longest post and for good reason. I feel as though I was terribly let down by the John Deere price and especially their dealer. If there is one thing that I've heard on the furum time again its, how important a good dealer is.
BTW: In the end it was a B7610 (figured what the hey), and a dealer I felt VERY comfortable with.
-thanks for reading this LONG post. I hope that the rest of you have a better dealer and get a better price than in my area.
I also looked at the 2210 outside on the Deere lot for a bit, then went inside to inquire. To echo another posters remark, they just simply did not have time for me. I told them that I was considering the 2210 and the Kubota BX2230 as well as the B7510. His comment was pretty much that Kubota is clearly NOT a Deere, parts are not as readily avail as a Deere and are just simply NOT comparible to a Deere.
The 2210 was quoted $2,000 more than the BX2230 (FEL,60 MMM, well 62" on the 2210). I asked if this included the $300 rebate that was on Deere's web site if 2 implements were purchased. (FEL,MMM) He said it did. I then asked about the larger 4110 I saw on the lot also. He told me that it was (and I quote) "Out Of My League". Fine. I went back outside to look again. (He apparently was not interested enough to follow me out to point out Deere's superiority.) I liked the tach and the 10" front rims. Liked the overall fit & finish. The side by side pedel design seemed "natural". A couple of little things that bugged me for $2,000 more. Lights. Didn't really like the 2 plain headlights and really did not like the absense of rear taillights on the rear fenders. They (the fenders) just looked too plain. Functionality has little to do with this, they were just quips. I mean even garden tractors at SEARS have stickers for taillights.
Back I went inside, and explained that for the price of the 2210, I was not far from comparing it to a Kubota B7510/302 FEL/MMM. (about $250) Once again, he said that I could not compare the two. I said EXACTLY. And left the store.
Years ago I bought a Scotts lawn tractor (made by Deere) from Home Depot. Before I made the purchase, I went to the same dealer to compare the green color to the Scotts orange. The comparible Deere (I believe is was a Saber) was more $$$ than H.D. I was told that the Scotts was inferior and I would NEVER be able to get parts for it. I went with my gut feeling (knowing that the 2 were the same) and got the Scotts. 5 years later I have bought all my replacement parts from a small local repair shop under....get this an LT155.
My point is that they lost a sale to me 5 yrs ago, and they lost a sale to me recently. I really did like the 2210 over the BX. If they were close in dollars and the dealer had like an 89% better attitiude, I would have bought it. Instead, I thought that if I were to spend that kind of money, I'd be much better off with a B7510. I suppose looking back, it really made the B7510 that much more attractive......I mean it was almost a sale for the B7510...directed unintentionally from a Deere dealer.
Now this is not a huge hammer in Deere. I liked the product very much. It is more like a hammer on the Dealer and Deere's pricing strategy. Unfortunatly I don't have any other Deere dealers in the area, though I did call a couple some distance away and got similar quotes....though a little better attitude.
THis has been my longest post and for good reason. I feel as though I was terribly let down by the John Deere price and especially their dealer. If there is one thing that I've heard on the furum time again its, how important a good dealer is.
BTW: In the end it was a B7610 (figured what the hey), and a dealer I felt VERY comfortable with.
-thanks for reading this LONG post. I hope that the rest of you have a better dealer and get a better price than in my area.
Bob_Skurka
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Wayne, your experiences are nearly identical to my experiences with JD sales people. I admit the tractors look nice, but they lost a garden tractor to Cub Cadet. They lost a 30hp CUT with FEL & BH to Kubota a few years later. And still I did not learn my lesson and went back last summer when they lost the sale of a 24hp CUT with FEL, MMM, rear blade, potato plow, PHD and snow blower to New Holland.
But I finally wised up this year. When I wanted TWO lawn/garden tractors PLUS a ZTR this summer I didn't even consider JD. Blame it on the dealership & their sales department. For all I know JD may make good stuff, but I guess I'll never know because they won't tell me.
But I finally wised up this year. When I wanted TWO lawn/garden tractors PLUS a ZTR this summer I didn't even consider JD. Blame it on the dealership & their sales department. For all I know JD may make good stuff, but I guess I'll never know because they won't tell me.
bigpete
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We've all heard the dealer stories for all colors, and that's what will ultimately make or break a deal--and that's how it should be in competitive commerce. By that I mean, top quality products with some small differentiations that end up being sold by the best dealers. Without competition, any retailer of any product will typically become arrogant. The smart dealers figure that out at some point.
I heard bad things about my nearest Kubota dealer but I thought they treated me fine. The dollar differences between the two tractors (BX2200 and JD2210) were nominal. It was nice to make a decision based on the things I liked about the machine. Of course now I've graduated to the 4110, but that's a different story.
EDIT____Thanks, shoppintractors
I heard bad things about my nearest Kubota dealer but I thought they treated me fine. The dollar differences between the two tractors (BX2200 and JD2210) were nominal. It was nice to make a decision based on the things I liked about the machine. Of course now I've graduated to the 4110, but that's a different story.
EDIT____Thanks, shoppintractors
cowboydoc
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<font color="red">We've all heard the dealer stories for all colors </font>
I was treated the same way at Kubota. They gave the same speech except it was Deere that was the inferior product. They were more than Deere. My Deere dealer has been nothing short of great. It's sad that dealers don't learn how to treat their customers no matter what color they sell.
I was treated the same way at Kubota. They gave the same speech except it was Deere that was the inferior product. They were more than Deere. My Deere dealer has been nothing short of great. It's sad that dealers don't learn how to treat their customers no matter what color they sell.
Hambone
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<font color="red">It's sad that dealers don't learn how to treat their customers no matter what color they sell. </font>
Richard, you said it right!! No dispute.
Wayne, that was about $2.50 worth, I think you went over the $1.50 mark /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Richard, you said it right!! No dispute.
Wayne, that was about $2.50 worth, I think you went over the $1.50 mark /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It's so sad to hear stories like yours. I sold Deere's for 2 years and if I had treated you that I would expect to lose to Kubota too. I don't understand why dealers sometimes have atitudes. As if you as a customer are going to say "I'm so impressed with snootyness that I'll buy from you."
Golfgar4
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Boy, I must be really lucky! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I've got large Deere, Kubota, and New Holland dealers all within a 10 mile radius of my home......
.....and all of them must have flunked out of the same Dealer University because they all have the same Take it or leave it; the other guy's tractors are junk attitudes! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But I have found very good dealers, of all shapes and colors, within a reasonable driving distance. So I will definitely be willing to put on a few miles to insure that I'll be dealing with someone that I not only want to deal with, but who also appreciates my business and lets me know that. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I've got large Deere, Kubota, and New Holland dealers all within a 10 mile radius of my home......
.....and all of them must have flunked out of the same Dealer University because they all have the same Take it or leave it; the other guy's tractors are junk attitudes! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But I have found very good dealers, of all shapes and colors, within a reasonable driving distance. So I will definitely be willing to put on a few miles to insure that I'll be dealing with someone that I not only want to deal with, but who also appreciates my business and lets me know that. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
