JD4100/B7500

[Titanic]

Talked to a JD dealer today and I asked him to give me a reason (s) why i should spend the extra money on
a 4100 vs B7500HSt Here are the things he mentioned .
The left and right rear brake control are on the left and are usable. compared to the kubotas.
JD has direct fuel injection and the B7500 does not. Is this true and does it matter?
Postion control on the JD. Who makes the engines for these tractors.? What do you think guys ? Any comments would be appreciated.
Titanic

 

[diggernh]

I have a B7500..and for what its worth..I have yet to be in a position where I needed the left or right control brake...but if I did...I think I would consider setting the cruise control and try it that way..otherwise one would need to use both feet on the same side of the tractor..might be an exercise on coordination..

 

[sherbs]

Titanic, I have a 7500 and I have used a 4100 at work. These are my observations based on snowblowing with both. Hours on the JD are 31, hours on the 7500 is 12. Blower on the JD is a 48" and a 60" on the 7500.
The 4100 bogged before the 7500 does, the R4 tires on the 4100 did not supply as good of traction as the turf tires on the 7500. The steering brakes on the 7500 are designed to be used with the cruise control set, and work well. The steering brakes also worked well on the JD. My main complaint with the 4100 is the collection of different countries parts used to make it, (Engine, Japan), (Front Akle, Germany), (Snowblower, Spain) and I would guess some USA parts. I am not sure about fuel system differences, both seem to start well in 15 degree temps. The 7500 seems to have a little better power curve. Both tractors do the job, but it seems the Kubota does it a little better at a lower price.

 

[GlueGuy]

Titanic,

The other answers that you've gotten (so far) are right on. Kubota makes its own engine, and I don't think there's a whit of significance between direct and indirect injection. I do know that the Kubota runs very clean (which is partially attributable to the indirect injection).

I've never used the differential braking, and I haven't missed the PC either.

 

[Dieter]

Titanic,

If I rememember right, I beleive the JD brochure states that the 4100 DOES NOT HAVE direct injection. I think it is the only 4000 series that does not have direct. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[tbarber]

I know that the gauges for Kubota are made in CT , my
friends wife makes them. They also make the gauges for Harley Davidson and others.

 

[Dieter]

I also had a JD dealer tell me that the 4100 had a suspended MMM rather than the deck that "rolls" on the groung like the 7500. Most people on this forum prefer the suspended deck. Can any of you that own the 4100 with a MMM confirm that it is a suspended deck?
Thanks,

 

[Titanic]

Dieter, You are correct the dealer called today and corrected himself. He did mention it was the small things that some may not notice that makes the JD more $$. Such as a larger fuel tank , hydroaulic pump capacity. This certainly hasn't changed my mind and will probably purchase the b-7500 in the coming weeks.
Sherbs I was suprised to here the turf tires gave you better traction then the r-4's. Is this in snow only?
I will be purchasing a 60" MMM and Fel with my tractor purchase. I looked at a few tillers online . (beefco and the Howard.) what do you think about this brands? And what would be the largest tiller i would want to
put on the B7500.
Glueguy i have read many of your posts> Thanks for all your information.
Titanic

 

[TerryinMD]

Dieter,

The MMM deck is suspended and does roll. The suspension hardware has flexible points which allows the deck to move up and down with the terrain (to an extent to be honest).

As far as power is concerned, my 4100 does just fine for a 20hp HST. I do not have a snowblower and don't understand how you can compare the two tractors with different snowblower sizes. There must be some other factors involved. As far as R4s vs turf tires, many discussions have been carried on concerning the pro's and con's.

I've only driven one Kubota and I do not remember the model. May have been a 7500, not sure. That was about two years ago and it was a lot of fun. The first time I drove a tractor with a FEL. Need to drive it again to compare and see what the real difference is.

Good luck.

Terry

 

[jhgnag]

I'm considering one of the two myself, probably the 7500. What's everyone's thoughts on how big of a rotary cutter will work effectively on either for pasture grass? Would the 2410 be able to accomodate a bigger one?

 

[sherbs]

Titanic, I was surprised also when the dealer suggested turf tires instead of R4's. The dealer said a softer tire compound and more tire surface made the turf tires better on hardpack and ice. Seems to hold true after using the JD 4100 with the R4's.

 

[sherbs]

Terry, I felt that the JD 4100 with 20hp using 48" blower as compared to a Kubota 7500 with 21hp using a 60" blower was advantage JD. Both worked well but the JD blower bogged the engine down, (same snow storm, 9", 2 different locations). I think maybe the difference lies with JD's blower setup and not the tractor. sherbs

 

[GlueGuy]

<font color=blue>What's everyone's thoughts on how big of a rotary cutter will work effectively on either for pasture grass? Would the 2410 be able to accomodate a bigger one?</font color=blue>

I use a 48" cutter on Lucy. Works fine, and cuts some amazingly large stuff without a whimper; even on the hills that I have. I imagine that you could go a little larger on a B2410, but I don't know how much larger. Depending on the material, 5' might work, but it could be a problem if you have heavy brush. A 5' mower would take roughly 25% more power, and I don't think there's quite that much margin between a 7500 and a 2410.

 

[crown]

I too had the same decision to make last spring. I choose the B-7500 price biggest factor 2k less in my area. PC has not been an issue for me. That and oveall weight I belive is the only advantage of the Deere. I am very pleased with the tractor like Glue Guy I use a 4 ft. cutter with mine it does great never strains the 5footer may work on the 2410 if is mainly pasture grass. That said either tractor will serve you well pick the one you feel most comfortable with. Enjoy and be safe.
Best of Luck,
Crown

 

[Nuru]

I plow with turf tires and it works very well on snow and ice, long as it is not too wet

nuru

 

[frank_f15]

just last year i was in same delima as u, same two tractors, would have bought the 7500, no particulr reason just a lot of little ones, ended up with a b2400. in mho there is not thatmuch diff between the two, ain't much diff bet. a 6 gal. tank and a 5 gal. fuel tank. pc is nice if u need it, u have to decide which YOU like best, but for me it would have been the 7500

 

[Westbilly]

Me too Frank, I looked at the 7500 and wound up with the 2410. I just wanted the extra HP. The PC was not really a factor. My dealer also told me that the 7500 and the 2410 carry the same size implement recommendations.

 

[TresCrows]

I like the brakes on the BX and the 2410 where they are and I like the hydro pedal on both much better than the funny two pedal arrangement on the JD. I think you should consider the 2410 against the more costly 4100 and new 10 series. PC is nice to have, I like it.
The Kubota 7500 can use a backhoe whereas the 4100 cannot. The 4100 does NOT have a greater hydro output.
The Kubota has metal fenders and hood. The Kubota has a Kubota made engine and transmission and direct or indirect or whatever I think it is a better engine (my opinion), it burns clean and is very fuel efficient and quite smooth.
Really there is no reason you should get the JD, obviously that is an opinion--which you asked for---and that is why I have two Kubotas.
J

 

[sherbs]

Crown, I also looked at both the 4100 and the 7500. What convinced me to buy the Kubota was the fact the JD dealer said I could NOT put a backhoe on the 4100. sherbs

 

[boatman]

last year I went thru the same dilema. put both advantages and disadvantages on the scale and the 7500 won. i even have a jd dealer down the street from me and the kubota dealer is 20 mi away. for 2500.00 i will keep my cash in the bank and be a proud kubota owner. btw I would go for the r-4 tires.