John Deere 2305 Compact Tractor Transmission and rear PTO failure

buickanddeere · Jan 27, 2014

If anything broke on the Tractor the owner would run screaming back to Deere complaining and have no idea how busted.

OMG THAT'S A JOHN DEERE TRACTOR - YouTube
John Deere 2305 with 200cx front loader vs stump - YouTube I quit watching the abuse at the 3:00 mark

dixstir · Apr 13, 2015

PTO, I got a 2210 john deere fron a jd dealer in rochester mn had it about 30 days , hooked up the tiller to do the garden ,it made a teriable noise with out going to the garden, called them ,said no warrenty, so bbb, called jd no help. so I kept calling whoever would listen., they finaly took it back after my wife talked to them, and they lost there dealership, I call em time to time to run it in pooooooor busines.put me on you get even list.

bneill1234 · Jun 14, 2015

I have the same problem, John Deere has been no help and basically makes the tractor worthless for sale or trade in! Heart breaking issue, I've been raised on Deere and this beats all! Please let me know if anyone has any luck with Deere on this or if anyone knows where i can get a housing to do it myself. (I'm not made of money so I need all the help I can get)

yelbike · Jun 16, 2015

bneill1234 said:
I have the same problem, John Deere has been no help and basically makes the tractor worthless for sale or trade in! Heart breaking issue, I've been raised on Deere and this beats all! Please let me know if anyone has any luck with Deere on this or if anyone knows where i can get a housing to do it myself. (I'm not made of money so I need all the help I can get)

Try and get a hold of your regional john Deere sales representative, your local dealer maybe able to put you in contact with them.
Or check with your home insurance policy. Depending how it happened, you maybe covered.
BTW I know how you feel, gut wrenching.

Tractornewb · Jun 20, 2015

Wow, to think I was actually thinking of getting a used 2305 or a 2210. Guess those are off my list (and probably JD as well).

You just saved me a boatload of money. Thanks !

yelbike · Jun 22, 2015

Tractornewb said:
Wow, to think I was actually thinking of getting a used 2305 or a 2210. Guess those are off my list (and probably JD as well).

You just saved me a boatload of money. Thanks !

I wouldn't stay away from Deere. Happened to me, I still have Deere's in my shop.

Gator6x4 · Jun 22, 2015

dixstir said:
PTO, I got a 2210 john deere fron a jd dealer in rochester mn had it about 30 days , hooked up the tiller to do the garden ,it made a teriable noise with out going to the garden, called them ,said no warrenty, so bbb, called jd no help. so I kept calling whoever would listen., they finaly took it back after my wife talked to them, and they lost there dealership, I call em time to time to run it in pooooooor busines.put me on you get even list.

Sounds like the PTO shaft was too long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOr7KZUoEkc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vBFJcvs5SE

yelbike · Jun 23, 2015

Gator6x4 said:
Sounds like the PTO shaft was too long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOr7KZUoEkc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vBFJcvs5SE

Although it's totally plausible the PTO shaft was too long, what's the normal damage to other tractors if this happens? Is it as catistrostrafic?

2210jd · Jun 29, 2015

Just happened to me the first of May. Had the dealer fix it and they where talking to deere. As of now they wont let me pay my bill. I personally know the manager and hope the bill get significant reduced even though the machine is 10 yrs old with only 375 hrs.

Ray2015 · Jul 29, 2015

I own a 2005 JD 2305, 580 hrs. Today for the first time having issues with NO PTO engagement. This occurred immediately after changing transmission oil and filters. I have checked PTO rear to front lever, main switch, 12.6 volt at coil, with 9 OHMs on coil to solenoid. I cannot hear solenoid engaging. Question can this solenoid possibly be freed by tapping with hammer, heat, or applying a stronger magnetized signal to solenoid? If pulling the solenoid is the only option, how much has to be disassembled?

Any advice?

Thank you!

Ray

yelbike · Jul 30, 2015

Ray2015 said:
I own a 2005 JD 2305, 580 hrs. Today for the first time having issues with NO PTO engagement. This occurred immediately after changing transmission oil and filters. I have checked PTO rear to front lever, main switch, 12.6 volt at coil, with 9 OHMs on coil to solenoid. I cannot hear solenoid engaging. Question can this solenoid possibly be freed by tapping with hammer, heat, or applying a stronger magnetized signal to solenoid? If pulling the solenoid is the only option, how much has to be disassembled?

Any advice?

Thank you!

Ray

Did you ensure the oil level is spot on?

Ray2015 · Jul 30, 2015

Yes...half way on glass viewer.

caseyhut · Nov 2, 2015

Happened to me this summer as well -- rear PTO failed when brush mower hit a rock. Took to dealer and they estimated $8K repair = the value of the tractor. Dealer charged $500 for the diagnostic, pulled the chewed up gear and reassembled unit. So now I can't mow, but can still use the front end loader and I can still tow. Some folks suggested an insurance claim (homeowners) so I tried -- State Farm said they will not cover and know of no instance of covering. If others have had a difference experience, please let me know.

BeaconWoods · Nov 3, 2015

Same story on my 2210. The dealer offered to write up something for the homeowners insurance company but I was not comfortable with the approach he intended to take. The reality was that I had hit a stump with the mower and insurance does not cover that. Belly mower still works fine as the mid PTO is upstream from the rear PTO.

yelbike · Nov 3, 2015

BeaconWoods said:
Same story on my 2210. The dealer offered to write up something for the homeowners insurance company but I was not comfortable with the approach he intended to take. The reality was that I had hit a stump with the mower and insurance does not cover that. Belly mower still works fine as the mid PTO is upstream from the rear PTO.

If I accidentally hit a telephone pole with my car, it would be an insurable peril. I'm sure you did not have the intention to hit the stump and damage your tractor. I don't understand your reluctance to file a claim, unless there is more to the story.

BeaconWoods · Nov 5, 2015

yelbike said:
If I accidentally hit a telephone pole with my car, it would be an insurable peril. I'm sure you did not have the intention to hit the stump and damage your tractor. I don't understand your reluctance to file a claim, unless there is more to the story.

Hitting a stump with a rough mower on a farm is not a reimbursable event. The dealer knew that which was why he offered to tell the insurance company a different story.

Keith2305 · Nov 18, 2015

New member here...I have a 2010 2305 and a frontier 2048. I have used it a lot to clear my property. I have a slip clutch but have even stalled the tractor running over a stump or something that I didn't realize was there. Almost to the point where I have quit worrying about the PTO. Anyone who's had one apart think that this is caused by cumulative wear of the gears and I should be concerned? With the PTO selected and tractor off there is very little backlash in mine so I hope it is still healthy and I got lucky with the metalurgy the day they made mine

jenkinsph · Nov 19, 2015

Keith2305 said:
New member here...I have a 2010 2305 and a frontier 2048. I have used it a lot to clear my property. I have a slip clutch but have even stalled the tractor running over a stump or something that I didn't realize was there. Almost to the point where I have quit worrying about the PTO. Anyone who's had one apart think that this is caused by cumulative wear of the gears and I should be concerned? With the PTO selected and tractor off there is very little backlash in mine so I hope it is still healthy and I got lucky with the metalurgy the day they made mine

Just make sure you loosen the clutch once or twice a year and allow the plates to slip. If not checked there is a chance the plates will stick together and not provide the clutch action you need. When tightening the clutch plates you should allow them to slip before the engine stalls. Your manual should provide torq specs for these bolts too.

Keith2305 · Nov 19, 2015

Yes I do slip it once a year...loosen the bolts and reset. It calls for a 4mm gap to be set but I'm at more like 5. I kept loosening and running it with witness marks on the clutch parts to find the max that it will hold in high grass. I have still managed to stall it on occasion. then again I've done that with the mmm when I ran over my sweatshirt I thought was tied to the roll bar lol.

yelbike · Nov 24, 2015

Keith2305 said:
New member here...I have a 2010 2305 and a frontier 2048. I have used it a lot to clear my property. I have a slip clutch but have even stalled the tractor running over a stump or something that I didn't realize was there. Almost to the point where I have quit worrying about the PTO. Anyone who's had one apart think that this is caused by cumulative wear of the gears and I should be concerned? With the PTO selected and tractor off there is very little backlash in mine so I hope it is still healthy and I got lucky with the metalurgy the day they made mine

The problem has really nothing to do with parts wearing. The issue is the housing casting which holds the outer bearing race on the inner end of the stub pto shaft can NOT withstand any force applied front to back or major side loading. Make sense? Probably not.

Basically if you put too much force pushing the pto stub. shaft into the tractor, it will break. Also a major torque or side load the same inner casting will break. I did it on a late model.

My root cause was a pto shaft that was too long. My expensive mistake. But anything that pushes the shaft inwards will do it. For example going thru a ditch with an attached implement wear the pto shaft compress entirely.

Some have done it with the mmm jamming a brick in between the deck and the blade.

The problem isn't with metallurgy but rather with thickness of the inner casting. That's what changed between the early version and the new version.