Comparison John Deere 750/850 vs. Yanmar 1610D 1820D eg.

[Verleih-Nix]

You are not likely to find that info on a gray market tractor, or whatever they are called in Germany. I doubt they were even registered in Japan. Here is about all the data that is available.
You might research those JD models of similar size and HP, and see if there is any data that you are looking for, but I doubt that anyone in the US would have had reason to do so.

I do not think that i find anything technical data from the gray market tractors, but i hope to find a tractor from John Deere (750/850) which was sold in the United States and in Germany as well which is similar or nearly the same as my Yanmar.
I have a TUeV engineer(He also rides a Ducati, like me ) here and he said to me if I find something identical in construction, he will manage this so that i will get my papers to register it.


Stefan

 

[Car Doc]

Not to belabor an already serious enough problem sorry but I guess another question I have now I think about your situation is how do they know you even have it?

Do they just ask you what you have or come snooping around or what?

I can visualize all sorts of things you must be enduring I hate to say.

Here is a link may have some sort of info its an expensive manual maybe they can just look at it and tell you what you need??? http://www.ssbtractor.com/tractor_manual_display.cgi?m=John Deere&o=750 2 & 4WD

Steve

 

[Verleih-Nix]

@ CarDoc:

I hope to find any Information about the tractors and collect them. Maybe there is a forum member who has some information, maybe there is a dealer who has some information about the John deereｴs.

For example: We are writing the year 1984. You buy a new John Deere 750 and now you want to have a FEL on it. From which kind of information source do you know how much to load sth. your front axle? And if your front axle is broken within the warranty your dealer say it was OK to put 2Ton into the FEL, because he do not know how much you can stress your axle!?!?

And therefore John Deere must change your axle on warranty?????

I think if it is no gray market tractor there must be some data from the Deere and maybe someone have this data and can compare them?!


Stefan

 

[Verleih-Nix]

Here is a link may have some sort of info its an expensive manual maybe they can just look at it and tell you what you need??? John Deere 750 2 & 4WD Service, Repair & Owners Operators Manual Shop

Steve

Thanks a lot, I try to call them or write them my problem. Maybe they can help.

(hopefully they understand my english:confused2


Stefan

 

[arrabil]

verleih-nix, on eBay you should be able to purchase a tech manual for it. On CD it will be reasonably cheap. They generally contain all the information you can handle.

 

[California]

If i want to drive legal on a street i need a title an a german TUeV ( means Technical Inspection Authority )

I think I see your problem. Wouldn't it be simpler to buy a trailer to carry it around, instead of trying to register it as an automobile?


Years ago I had a plumbing contractor dig a septic tank hole with his loader/backhoe. He told me he had the identical problem as you. Before he could drive it to jobs in the community he served, he had to put license plates on it.

This meant DMV inspections of the headlights, turn signals, license plate light, etc. before he could register it for use on the public roads. No smog checks back then (1960's) but he said it took him months to pass several safety inspections and get the plates.

These Japanese tractors come with highway lighting, horn etc. There is probably some standard in Japan that they have to meet. But good luck on finding safe load for the axles and some of the more obscure specifications. It was never intended to be an automobile.

 

[Verleih-Nix]

I also thought about transporting it with a trailer, but: In Germany it is not legal to drive on streets if it is not registered.

We have only for tractors many different registrations:

• # Tractors without a registration and without a registration plate,
  type approval but must have complete lights, turn signals etc. and a insurance and and the tractor must be technical restricted to 6 km/h (3,75 mls/h).
  For these tractors you do not need a driving license.
  
  
• # Tractors which are faster not than 20 km/h (12,5 mls/h). Here you need complete the same registration process like a car. Every 2 years to the TUeV (DMV). It is allowed to drive these tractors from the age of 16 with driving license.
  
  
• # Tractors which are faster not than 32 km/h (20mls/h). Same driving license as before but you have to be 18 years old. registration and tax and insurance as before.
  
  
• # Tractors which are faster than 32km/h(20mls/h). You have to have a driving license especially for these tractors, but also allowed to drive with a driving license for trucks.
  
  
• # Tractors which are faster than 50km/h (31,25 mls/h) need every Year TUeV and the rest as before.
  
  
• # Tractors which are go 60 km/h (37,5mls/h) or faster are allowed to drive on German Highways (Autobahn). You need to have a truck driving license.
  

thats all if you are a farmer, than you have special green licence plates and you have to pay no tax. If you are no farmer you get black licence plates and have to pay tax.

I think in Germany a farmer must study on a university a minimum of 2 years only for the street regulations of farm equipment. Because this is only the beginning ....

And now why I want to have it street legal:
In the winter and I going with a snowplow on public roads(in front of my house) it have to be registered.


Stefan

 

[clemsonfor]

I think I see your problem. Wouldn't it be simpler to buy a trailer to carry it around, instead of trying to register it as an automobile?


Years ago I had a plumbing contractor dig a septic tank hole with his loader/backhoe. He told me he had the identical problem as you. Before he could drive it to jobs in the community he served, he had to put license plates on it.

This meant DMV inspections of the headlights, turn signals, license plate light, etc. before he could register it for use on the public roads. No smog checks back then (1960's) but he said it took him months to pass several safety inspections and get the plates.

These Japanese tractors come with highway lighting, horn etc. There is probably some standard in Japan that they have to meet. But good luck on finding safe load for the axles and some of the more obscure specifications. It was never intended to be an automobile.

California said exactly what i was saying. See if you can buy a 14 ft utility trailer and tow the tractor to the places you want to go instead of driving it on the road. Sounds like your fine to use it on your property, but if you want to go to the neighbors farm to help garden you have to have a tile and lisence for it, to get around this find a 2 ton trailor that has the info you need register that (this will be easy, cause likely it already has been) then put the tractor on it and tow it to the neighbors. Yea its a hassle but your not likely to find that info anywhere on the yanmar. People go by if the tractor 3point lift will pick it up i can carry it. The front end loader should have a releif setting that will not allow the axle to break, but that point i dont know.

California lives in probly one of the places here in the USA most like europe. Many of us non-californians refer to it as the peoples republic of california. They have there own laws, are going bankruped like many european nations. They have 10 waiting periods on fire arms for years and still may had laws about magizine capacity on fire arms (although the precident in court has ben set that the state law cant trump the federal, so there being overturned), oh it use to be illegal to manufacture magizines over 10 rounds but you could still buy old ones, but not in cali, you could not own one period. Since congress overturned the 10 cap. law production has restarted and is leagal to buy these again, but i think this is still a problem in Cali. Sorry side tracked there but California also for years and im talking like 20+ has had different emmissions standards than the rest of the country, they test your vehicles and so on. Here in SC there are no vehicle inspections nor smog inspections, its still like living in a free country down here, the down side is that we have a lot more jalopies running around with bad breaks and so on.

Man that registration fee and swapout on the lights etc is crazy money, to do that your getting into the range of what the tractor is worth to just run it on the road. Would it not make more sense to keep this on your land and buy a more common already licensed tractor for the same money instead of sinking money into this one that does not get you anything but to ride the roads. IE if you can find a JD with these plates on it and title (even here in the us i dont think it would be easy to find the specs you want on a JD) , wich aparently these tractors already have over there the info on it must be accepeted, you buy that tractor for $4000 USD and register it, instead of paying a $1300 conversion and some EPA test for $2000. That is a lost $3300 to just drive this tractor on a road, here in the us if you put another couple grand in you can buy a used JD and have a larger tractor that now is GERMAN road ready or drivable :confused2::confused2:

Man that sounds like a pretty tough place to live. You people over there must have to make like $125,000 USD a year with all those taxes, just to live the same type life someone here in the south USA can live on $60K a year.

 

[California]

I also thought about transporting it with a trailer, but: In Germany it is not legal to drive on streets if it is not registered.

We have only for tractors many different registrations:

[*] # Tractors without a registration .... must be technical restricted to 6 km/h (3,75 mls/h).

Stefan

I hate to say this, but considering your legal environment, I think the solution is to forget Yanmar and buy something that complies with local laws.

The only easy way I see to use it for plowing the streets, would be to weld on a bar that prevents the range shifter from using high range - if this would limit the speed down to where no registration is needed. More expensive modifications aren't worth the cost, in my opinion, compared to simply buying a compliant tractor.

We see similar complex requirements, for example, adapting a European-only model of Mercedes for US registration. They cut the doors apart and put in big intrusion-resistant crash bars, replace the bumpers with ones off a US model, change all the lights, and probably have to do extensive smog testing. It's not worth the cost in most cases, compared to just buying one that Mercedes already built to US-compliant standards.

.... California lives in probly one of the places here in the USA most like europe. ...
They have there own laws...

Actually, yes. With an economy as large as Italy and 38 million people, California alone is the equal of all but the largest European nations.
Our own laws? We call that States Rights. I hear that is getting popular in the rest of this country too.

Would it not make more sense to keep this on your land and buy a more common already licensed tractor for the same money

I think that is the only realistic choice available. Yanmar is an admirable tractor, but it simply doesn't fit German traffic laws.

You people over there must have to make like $125,000 USD a year with all those taxes, just to live the same type life someone here in the south USA can live on $60K a year.

Different places, different tastes. It would be boring if everybody all had to live exactly the same.

 

[Car Doc]

Well maybe Stefan can find the info he needs and can get by w/o buying another tractor. Sounds like the guy that checks them out is willing to work with him as long as he has some specs to go by.

I bet a compliant tractor there would be expensive and Id also bet no where near as good as the Yanmar jmho.

Steve