John Deere and Yanmar

[Spudland_Dave]

I could easily sat three trips to the JD dealer with deck lift problems and it still isn't fixed is indicative of poor quality control, but anecdotal evidence doesn't prove much.

I dunno what model tractor your referring too, but I know my 3520 did not leave the factory with any deck lift provisions...meaning anything related to poor deck lift for me would probably be indicative of poor dealer support/service...

 

[TripleR]

I dunno what model tractor your referring too, but I know my 3520 did not leave the factory with any deck lift provisions...meaning anything related to poor deck lift for me would probably be indicative of poor dealer support/service...

It is the 2305 and I made the point about poor dealer prep in an earlier post.

From reading posts from other 2305 owners, the 3-pt hookup does not work well as a MMM deck lift, so many dealers like mine hook it into the FEL hydraulic system which can cause some inconvenience when using a FEL; don't have one on mine.

One 2305 owner posted modificaions including welding done by his dealer which "fixed" his; don't know how to find it now, but had copied it for my dealer.

Like I have said previously, I won't judge a whole company based on experiences with one or two models. I have owned four John Deeres and two Kubotas and I will look at both brands and maybe a couple more before I buy my next tractor in a few years.

My original point was that many things referred to as "quality control" issues are the result of poor dealer setup no matter the brand.

 

[TripleR]

It is the 2305 and I made the point about poor dealer prep in an earlier post.

From reading posts from other 2305 owners, the 3-pt hookup does not work well as a MMM deck lift, so many dealers like mine hook it into the FEL hydraulic system which can cause some inconvenience when using a FEL; don't have one on mine.

One 2305 owner posted modificaions including welding done by his dealer which "fixed" his; don't know how to find it now, but had copied it for my dealer.

Like I have said previously, I won't judge a whole company based on experiences with one or two models. I have owned four John Deeres and two Kubotas and I will look at both brands and maybe a couple more before I buy my next tractor in a few years.

My original point was that many things referred to as "quality control" issues are the result of poor dealer setup no matter the brand.

Here is the thread: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/john-deere-owning-operating/150274-2305-mmm-worth.html

 

[rScotty]

....... I may very well prefer a JD in a different size. I guess that is why there is more than one company.

I have to wonder if Yanmar will ever decide to market their own tractors in the US again now that they aren't working with JD any longer. Yanmar's innnovation is among the best in the world, and they didn't license their nifty new engines or their proven powershift transmissions to either JD or CC. The range of products Yanmar makes is staggering: a full range of tractors, harvesters, industrial engines, construction machinery, marine equipment, large ship engines, high tech electonics, and all of it typical top Japanese quality.
I wonder why they sell all over the world - including some products in the US - but not tractors.
rScotty

 

[litework]

I wonder why they sell all over the world - including some products in the US - but not tractors.
rScotty

I'm sure their business venture with John Deere was quite lucrative and there may have even been some no compete verbiage in the agreement.

 

[Rob-D]

Yep. Those are the "facts." The truth is in the details, and when the details are omitted or are simply wrong, the statement isn't factual.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/146256-measure-your-tires-your-bx.html

This was the facts I was relaying too!

 

[Rob-D]

I have to wonder if Yanmar will ever decide to market their own tractors in the US again now that they aren't working with JD any longer. Yanmar's innnovation is among the best in the world, and they didn't license their nifty new engines or their proven powershift transmissions to either JD or CC. The range of products Yanmar makes is staggering: a full range of tractors, harvesters, industrial engines, construction machinery, marine equipment, large ship engines, high tech electonics, and all of it typical top Japanese quality.
I wonder why they sell all over the world - including some products in the US - but not tractors.
rScotty

I have a Yanmar three point log splitter someone gave me that is excellent.

 

[Engine_Tech]

Yanmar won't sell tractors in the US as they have not support structure, i.e. dealers. Yanmars are a good product, and thus would not be the cheapest around. If you are buying a low cost tractor you might put up with subpar dealers. But not if it's at a competetive or premium price as I'd expect Yanmars to be.

I really doubt JD pulls the plug with Yanmar. To me, it's advantagious to both to keep with the current business model. Yanmar gets to sell lots of engines to JD (and other customers), and JD saves money by not having to produce a small (and overall low volume) engine on their own. JD runs Yanmars ranging from @ 20hp up to 66 hp, at least 4 or 5 engine families across the Lawn, Golf, and Compact lines. I just don't see JD getting into that.

 

[Rob-D]

Either do I especially since they have so few problems. If the engines were failing it would make more sense.

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Kubota guys, I'm not trying to tee you off. If you love your tractors, hey great, hopefully that's why you bought them.

 

[JayC]

I've been following this thread since the start. To me, this is not unlike the rumors that run around saying Dodge and Cummins are gonna split. It would be extremely disadvantageous for Deere and Yanmar to split. It's hard to replace top notch.