John Deere welder....well, sort of

   / John Deere welder....well, sort of
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have a Link Arc welder on my Jeep that I'm thinking of adapting to my PTO. Any ideas on how to turn an alternator with a PTO would be appreciated. I was thinking of some type of torque converter to vary the speed, or just a direct pully and use the throttle. I like your setup, pretty clever.
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Most alternators do not approach their max output until 5 or 6 thousand RPM. This is a long way to go from 540 or even 1000 RPM. With a 1000 rpm PTO and a 3 inch pulley on the alternator, you would need to have a 18" pulley on the PTO to hit 6000.

One possibility may be to use a hydraulic motor using a remote. I will have a look at the feasibility of that and report the results.

Do you have room under the hood to drive directly off of the engine?
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #12  
Very interesting. Keep us posted. Electronics is one of my hobbies so I'm quite curious about this one. Thanks for the reply.
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I have a Link Arc welder on my Jeep that I'm thinking of adapting to my PTO. Any ideas on how to turn an alternator with a PTO would be appreciated. I was thinking of some type of torque converter to vary the speed, or just a direct pully and use the throttle. I like your setup, pretty clever.
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It's been a while since I used it, but seems like between about 1500 and 2000 RPM with the boost switch on will cover most applications. I need to go out and crank it up to find out for sure.




Most alternators do not approach their max output until 5 or 6 thousand RPM. This is a long way to go from 540 or even 1000 RPM. With a 1000 rpm PTO and a 3 inch pulley on the alternator, you would need to have a 18" pulley on the PTO to hit 6000.

One possibility may be to use a hydraulic motor using a remote. I will have a look at the feasibility of that and report the results.

Do you have room under the hood to drive directly off of the engine?

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   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #14  
You could find an old cotton picker head for cheap and take the gear drive off the top its a 1to 1 ratio on most and often comes with a pto shaft to. THey have a place to mount pulleys on and make great drives for things like that. You could also find a smal variable speed belt drive off an old combine drive they work great for that kind of thing and often come in a modular layout. I had a friend make a welder/alternator onece had it for about 10 years and was uses 3 or 4 times a week.
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #15  
Thanks, I'll check that out.
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #16  
couple things
am I right in saying that the mount under the body is temprary, you plan to put it under the bonnet right? If so, how do you plan to drive it from the engine under the hood?
Was the alternator off a generator from the dump? So its designed to run 110V high current?
Great idea, nice work!
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #17  
Awesome project.

My simplicity riding mower is about to have the same modification. I have the GM alternator on a bracket, and I simply have to find time to mount it underneath the mower and wire it up to a large two-wire connector on the back of the body of the unit. I won't be using mine to weld, but rather to power "accessories" that are hitched to the mower.

This started from when my mower deck decided to dismantle itself in a violent manner, and my refusual to pay $750 for a new mower deck. So what i've done is removed all the mowing deck apperatus off the deck itself, clean it up, and now I have a large 12V electric motor almost ready to be installed on that deck, with a square tubing cage and pneumatic wheels. Electric mower trailer ;-)

Once I take the body off the simplicity again, I can re-fangle up the trailer hitch so it can be a hitch for various things, but also a suitable structure for mounting things. Then using compressed air or electricity, I can build various useful accesories and make this toy riding mower more tractor-like in function, just on a much smaller scale.

Already have a 12V motor, gearbox, and greased wormscrew that once I put on the four-wheeled Lowes Garden Cart (good to 1000lbs they say, yeah right) and re-frame that, I'll have a dumpable trailer. My wife and I extended the patio with more blocks, which most of the manpower being wasted shoveling gravel and sand out of the back of my pickup, into the lawn cart, then dragging it around to the back of the house, then reshoveling it out of the cart, to where it was needed. Would have been a lot easier to shovel it into the cart, then just dump it where desired. Since I have more projects like this, making the dumpable, 12V powered cart is a desirable thing. Reworking the cart is good too because I've put 1000lbs into it, and the frame has bent indicating Lowes lied ;-)

I can see building small diggers, maybe a snow plow with electric raise/tilt function, that sorta stuff.

I'm going to get compessed air onto my mower as well, using a just rebuit AC compressor out of an old fridge. I never saw the fridge, but the compressor was free and the pulley to drive it is on the bottom, meaning I can attach it to the same belt as the alternator, driving both from the vertical shaft simplicity engine. Obviously, I won't have enough HP to drive both the compressor and the alternator at the same time, 5HP gets used up very quickly, but at least it's a dual-capable power source for other things.

And, I have a larger vertical shaft engine that looks like with a little "adjustment' of the body, I could put in if I really had to.

The welder idea you put together is fabulous.

What did you do for current control, or did I miss that part of the post?
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Awesome project.

What did you do for current control, or did I miss that part of the post? )</font>

Agreed! Very impressive project!

Dunno how the welding current is controlled, but I suppose it could be controlled with engine RPM.
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of #19  
Check out this page for another version of homemade welder that also uses a alternator. web page
 
   / John Deere welder....well, sort of
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( couple things
am I right in saying that the mount under the body is temprary, you plan to put it under the bonnet right? If so, how do you plan to drive it from the engine under the hood?
Was the alternator off a generator from the dump? So its designed to run 110V high current?
Great idea, nice work! )</font>

Actually (might not have been specific enough earlier), when I get it all tweaked out, it is going under the hood of my Case D40 tractor.

In regards to the voltage output, it is a run of the mill 12V automotive alternator that came from the salvage yard. When welding, or running the accessories, I control the voltage and current to the field instead of the internal voltage regulator. Between that and the RPM selected, the output voltage and current can be controlled.
 

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