Abe460
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When I push the joystick forward the FEL itself goes down, then when I pass the down position ,to what I'm assuming is supposed to be float, the FEL will go up.
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Just a thougth but have you pulled the rubber cover back on the joy stick lever exposing the ball and sockets to make sure that there all tight and not loose.Maybe something is worn out in there or loose.Check to see what happens with the cover pulled back so you can watch to see what's happening.When you push the joy stick watch to see what the control is doing and push it further into the float position and watch to see if the spool changes direction or what.The tractor doesn't have to be running to do this.Hopefully that'll give you something to go on.Other then that there's no reason for it to start lifting up again,as long as all the hoses are connected properly and the loader works up and down and the bucket dumps and curls back like its supposed to then I'd check to make sure the linkage in the ball and sockets are all working properly.Let me know what you find hopefully I can help you further.Larry:thumbsup:I forgot to ask what tractor is this on and is it a nimco control valve [wasn't mentioned earlier]Larry
Abe460
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The joystick and control valve are both new. It is a nimco valve and is on a MF471 with the 1060 FEL.. I'll go check under the boot right now.
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Maybe you just answered your question? You say its a new valve [is it the same as what was on there before,or is this a new valve on a new loader] Sounds like you may have the wrong type of control valve.You may have gotten a valve that has power beyond in the detent position.In another words the new valve you got may be for a different application. eg; in the detent it will drive a hydralic motor,this would be why the loader lifts the front of the tractor and fast, as you posted earlier.Pretty sure this is what your problem is.Larry
Abe460
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It's the same model valve, but maybe it never did float. The valve wasn't functioning properly when I bought the tractor so there was no way to tell. It's not a big deal (I've learned to work without it), but would be nice to have.
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I'am pretty certain that you have your answer.The valve doesn't have a float position,from what your describing.it does have a power beyond or live detent postion,sorry I can't help you any further.It's too bad that before you bought the new valve that you didn't specify that you wanted one with the float position.I'am pretty certain this is your problem.Larry:confused3:
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Just thougth I'd add a bit more info here for you. Different valves are set up to work different for different applications. Some valve's have one control that has a detent,some valve's have two control's with detent and so on.Some have the detent in the push position and some have the detent in the pull position.Some have float postion in the detent.Some have power out in the detent position.One eg; is one's that lot of people use on say a wood splitter.You control the cylinder in and out with the control valve but say when you put it into the detent position the cylinder will retract on it's own,untill the cylinder bottoms out then it kicks itself out of the detent position.Of course it can be set up the other way as well to allow the cylinder to extract on it's own as well.So many differnt ways valves are set up to work.So pretty sure the one you have on your tractor isn't the proper valve for your application.Hope this helps to clear up why you valve is doing what it's doing.Larry
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Your last post explains alot to me. I understand very little about the options a valve may be set up for. It makes sense to me that this valve is used for something else. I guess now, I'm going to have to figure out what I can use this function for. I don't see it as a problem, but an excuse to get a new function.
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Ok, I'm not sure how to explain this so I'll just go at it. If pushing the joystick into the "float" position isn't really float and is used for "something else", then how does this "something else" return to the original position? Granted I haven't provided the valve numbers, but just hypothetical, how would that be useful? To push a motor maybe? snow-blower or something? We don't get snow...well until global warming we didn't. Just kidding on the warming thing. don't want or need the stabs.
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Ok, I'm not sure how to explain this so I'll just go at it. If pushing the joystick into the "float" position isn't really float and is used for "something else", then how does this "something else" return to the original position? Granted I haven't provided the valve numbers, but just hypothetical, how would that be useful? To push a motor maybe? snow-blower or something? We don't get snow...well until global warming we didn't. Just kidding on the warming thing. don't want or need the stabs.
The best way I can describe this is the valve that you have {don't need numbers} is that if you say had it connected to a double acting cylinder on a wood splitter.You still have two hose's comming from the valve and going to the cylinder.What the valve does that you have is it allows you to move the cylinder in and out just by moving the lever.Now when you push this valve into the detent position it lets the cylinder either retract or extend by itself depending on what side the hose from the detent is feeding ,untill the cylinder reaches the it's end of travel then it clicks out of the detent. It would be the same with a hydralic motor you could run a motor either way and when you push the valve into the detent the motor will keep running without you having to hold the lever in on the valve. But what you can't do is say try and add something else onto the same system. If you were thinking that you could add a grapple and run it off the same circuit as what that valve is doing right now working the lift cylinders you can't you need another valve. Thats why valves come in so many different configurations.Another explanation would be say your valve was a 3 spool valve you could have it set up say using two of the spools to run the loader and the third one to run a hydralic post hole auger.Moving the lever either way would make the auger go forward or reverse and pushing it into the detent would make it keep running on it's own .Hope this helps.
