Kinetic splitter
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oosik
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Back when I split wood I used a stand alone hydraulic splitter. It would have made no difference, in my case, if the splitter cycled 10 time or even 5 times faster. I couldn't cycle that fast. By the time I got any log split - then stacked the splits in the trailer - the splitter had cycled and I still hadn't moved a new round up to the splitter. However, it would probably speed things up if you had multiple helpers. All my trees here are Ponderosa pine and a big 'ol chunk with knots was a real chore for my 25 ton Didier splitter. Check the specs on any kinetic splitter carefully - you may be gaining speed but sacrificing splitting tonnage.
Sawyer Rob
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Kinetics are only faster if you have wood that's easier to split, put a big crotch or tough wood to split on one, and the fun begins.
At the "Sawmill EXPO" this year in Ohio, they had a "splitter", firewood processor competition,
There was a bam bam (Super Split) next to a hydraulic with a 4-way wedge, both had similar wood and a helper. The hydraulic got done with it's pile a fair amount faster than the bam bam. Why ?, because the wood they had there to split, had some tougher wood and some crotches.
Here's a pict. of how much wood the SS had left, when the Timber Wolf was done splitting,
I like Super Splits and the like, but it just isn't true that they are faster than the better hydraulic splitters, at least in the kind of wood I split.
BTW, the ONLY two brands of bam bams I'd even consider are Super Split and Split Second...
SR
At the "Sawmill EXPO" this year in Ohio, they had a "splitter", firewood processor competition,
There was a bam bam (Super Split) next to a hydraulic with a 4-way wedge, both had similar wood and a helper. The hydraulic got done with it's pile a fair amount faster than the bam bam. Why ?, because the wood they had there to split, had some tougher wood and some crotches.
Here's a pict. of how much wood the SS had left, when the Timber Wolf was done splitting,
I like Super Splits and the like, but it just isn't true that they are faster than the better hydraulic splitters, at least in the kind of wood I split.
BTW, the ONLY two brands of bam bams I'd even consider are Super Split and Split Second...
SR
I had something similar to that kinetic one like in the mid 70's. Personally, I liked it......85% of the time. They are right about it not liking tough splitting crotches or twisted grain wood. The ram would jam and fail to return to battery. There was a learning curve to learn to hit it several times without sticking the ram. I soon figured out to let that nasty looking stuff rest where it fell in the woods. My wood was all oak, hickory, cherry, pretty much straight grained wood.
It took me 15 years to figure out anthracite was soooo much easier to heat with.
It took me 15 years to figure out anthracite was soooo much easier to heat with.
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I had the TSC Chinese kinetic spliter for a while my split fire with a 4 way is faster and safer.
The kinnetic likes to throw pieces back at the opperator if there are knots in the wood. They ride up the wedge and get propelled back.
It took a minimum of 3 splits to quarter a log with the kinetic whereas the splitfire does it in one
I also like the hydraulic log lift it makes a great table for smaller stuff
The kinnetic likes to throw pieces back at the opperator if there are knots in the wood. They ride up the wedge and get propelled back.
It took a minimum of 3 splits to quarter a log with the kinetic whereas the splitfire does it in one
I also like the hydraulic log lift it makes a great table for smaller stuff
Sawyer Rob
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IF they did have as much power, you wouldn't have to bam bam the tough wood. lol
It really boils down to what kind of wood you have, if you have wood that should have went to a sawmill, then they work GREAT. BUT, if you have a lot of tough wood, they still work, they just work a lot slower.
SR
It really boils down to what kind of wood you have, if you have wood that should have went to a sawmill, then they work GREAT. BUT, if you have a lot of tough wood, they still work, they just work a lot slower.
SR
I have a kinetic and love it. I sold my dual direction hydraulic splitter shortly after getting the Split Second. It amazes me how well it splits. It has split everything I have thrown at. Very rarely do I have to hit a piece twice. In 17.8 hours of use I have probably only had to hit 10 pieces more than once. A hydro splitter can't keep up with a kinetic.I can run over 5 hours off a gallon of gas. Look at the Split Second. It has many improvements over a Super Split. I have you any questions about let me know.
Here is a thread on another forum I have about my splitter, with several videos.
http://opeforum.com/threads/my-split-second-splitter-was-delivered-today.4406/
Here is a thread on another forum I have about my splitter, with several videos.
http://opeforum.com/threads/my-split-second-splitter-was-delivered-today.4406/
It was $3,330. It came with a log lifter (and stabilzers), tool tray and cover. It has many improvements over a Super Split. The splitter has an adjustable height, large work table, high ground clearance, retractable hitch, and the engine sits low for a low center of gravity.
https://splitsecondlogsplitter.com/Products/Product-Details/ProductID/14
Split Second Log Splitter | Professional & Homeowner Approved
murph1
Platinum Member
Is that a hydraulic lift? Never mind. No hydraulics are on it. How hard is the lift to use?
They say it takes 50lbs of force to lift 180lbs on the lift. The only time I use it as a lift is if I can't lift the wood on to it. Mostly stage wood on it. I should have a video of the lift showing how it is made and in action in the next few days.
Thanks for your replies. Seems like there is a discrepancy here. 94bullett says his Kinetic has split everything he has thrown at it, others have said they are weak and have trouble splitting anything that isn't straight grained.
I don't mean to start a pissing contest here but I personally would like to get to the bottom of this.
I don't mean to start a pissing contest here but I personally would like to get to the bottom of this.
Sawyer Rob
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First of all, the guys at Split Second have been good to me, so I'm not trying to make them look bad...but at the EXPO this fall, I watched them have to bam bam quite a few chunks as they demoed it. It's a good splitter, but like the SS, it's not as fast as a good hydraulic splitter when you get into tough wood. That was proven very handily at the competition I showed above.
Secondly, that SS VS TW vid above has been debunked numerous times. There's NO table grate on the TW, but there is a table on the SS. That makes all the difference in the world when it comes to speed.
I could cherry pick a vid of a SS bamming away on tough wood, and I know that same wood would have went right through my TW.
Anyway, it's all about what you want, both styles are good splitters.
SR
Try to find a used Super Split forsale. You can't even find them because nobody wants to get rid of theirs. Looks like Rob is going to dodge my post of splitting a split trunk since I had a video doing it.
Check out this thread. "Crane" has a Super Split HD and Timberwolf TW6 and he prefers the Super Split.
http://opeforum.com/threads/thinking-about-getting-a-super-split.3866/
If you go on the OPE forum and ask someone in PA may let you go try their kinetic splitter.
Do you have a kinetic splitter or have you used one?
I'll agree that no table did slow him down but not that much. It is not like he was splitting all day and getting fatigued from having to bend over and pick up the rounds. He did not loose much time picking them up. He also had to use a 6 way wedge to come close to a kinetic with a 2 way. 4 and 6 way wedges also make a big mess and you loose some wood because of it. Yes, I have used a 4 way wedge (had one for my old splitter) and I have talked to other people that say the same about a 4 way.
Sandhill Crane on AS told you his SSHD was faster than his TW6.
Lets see a video of a kinetic bamming wood. 2 or 3 hits is still faster than a 90% of hydraulic splitters.
Wanna see a video of a Split Second splitting hickory? I even show how a hydraulic handles it too.
