How heavy were the flywheels?
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How heavy were the flywheels?
Sawyer Rob
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Yes I have run a SS, a couple different times. It was before I bought my TW, and sure the SS is faster, "in ideal wood", NOT when you throw in some in tough wood though. That's why I said, it depends on how ideal your wood is...
Put this on a SS, you won't even be close to aa fast as my TW,
IF the SS is so much faster, why didn't it beat the TW at the shoot out?? Equal wood and two man teams running their own splitters.
BTW, the table grate makes a HUGE difference in time...
Here's one for you, it get's fun when he hits a tough piece a little over 3 mins in,
Super Split Wood Splitter Demonstration - YouTube
That chunk would have been through my 4-way and ALL in the pile in less than 1/4th the time he was bam bam-ing...
SR
Put this on a SS, you won't even be close to aa fast as my TW,
IF the SS is so much faster, why didn't it beat the TW at the shoot out?? Equal wood and two man teams running their own splitters.
BTW, the table grate makes a HUGE difference in time...
Here's one for you, it get's fun when he hits a tough piece a little over 3 mins in,
Super Split Wood Splitter Demonstration - YouTube
That chunk would have been through my 4-way and ALL in the pile in less than 1/4th the time he was bam bam-ing...
SR
David P
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I haven't seen the results for the most recent Sawmill & Woodlot competition yet but the Super Split beat the Timberwolf by a fair margin at a previous competition, equal wood and two man teams running their own splitters.
What's the Timberwolf selling for these days?
What's the Timberwolf selling for these days?
Sawyer Rob
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I was there, the TW really kicked it's azz, mostly because of some tough wood...
I'm not a TW dealer, I have no idea what todays price is?
SR
I'm not a TW dealer, I have no idea what todays price is?
SR
Weedy Fields
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Does Split Second make an Electric one like SS?
I'm contemplating an electric SS cause I get my electricity free.
I'm contemplating an electric SS cause I get my electricity free.
Yes I have run a SS, a couple different times. It was before I bought my TW, and sure the SS is faster, "in ideal wood", NOT when you throw in some in tough wood though. That's why I said, it depends on how ideal your wood is...
Put this on a SS, you won't even be close to aa fast as my TW,
IF the SS is so much faster, why didn't it beat the TW at the shoot out?? Equal wood and two man teams running their own splitters.
BTW, the table grate makes a HUGE difference in time...
Here's one for you, it get's fun when he hits a tough piece a little over 3 mins in,
Super Split Wood Splitter Demonstration - YouTube
That chunk would have been through my 4-way and ALL in the pile in less than 1/4th the time he was bam bam-ing...
SR
Once again you fail to acknowledge my videos of showing how well a kinetic works on tough stuff.
What model SS did you try?
I would not dream of putting something that ugly on the Split Second. If I had a $10,000 hydraulic I wouldn't either. I take more pride in my firewood than that. I would have taken a saw and ripped it down the crotch when it was still attached to the tree then cut 16'' pieces off the tree. I could motor through it with my Split Second, no tractor required. When you get done splitting it you are going to have half of the pieces 24'' and the other half 36.''
LOL, that video shows how good the Super Split is. That is an old 75lb flywheel model, that is the entry level model today. I never really saw him hit anything tough. He hit a couple pieces twice. A 90lb model would have been through it the first time. The only thing I saw wrong with the video was he did not know how to attack a larger piece. He should have busted it in half then quarters etc instead of breaking small pieces off like he did.
In this day you think they would have made a video of the shoot out for everyone to see. The pictures you keep posting just show the guy standing there watching the Super Split. He should have been on the right side with the wood staged on the right (like the TW was setup) so he could easily load the splitter.
I'd like to to see a video of you lifting one of those big crotch pieces on to your TW and splitting it. Then we can see how fast it is and how easily it splits it. I have shared several videos of my splitter showing what it is capable of.
The TW3HD does not look as fast as my old Harbor freight splitter.
Chuck here are a couple more threads with satisfied kinetic owners.
http://opeforum.com/threads/went-kinetic-over-hydro-splitter.5345/
Thoughts on kinetic log splitters? | Firewood Hoarders Club
The biggest regret most people have with a kinetic is not getting one sooner. I can't figure out why they have not caught on more and are the norm for splitters. To answer your original question I think the Split Second gives the best bang for the buck.
http://opeforum.com/threads/went-kinetic-over-hydro-splitter.5345/
Thoughts on kinetic log splitters? | Firewood Hoarders Club
The biggest regret most people have with a kinetic is not getting one sooner. I can't figure out why they have not caught on more and are the norm for splitters. To answer your original question I think the Split Second gives the best bang for the buck.
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Hey Roger. I haven't heard about the Split second before, but I know a few places have cloned and/or improved the SS in recent years. I've had an SS for a few years now. It works well. What are the big improvements you found with the split second vs SS? Curious.
Yes, I sometimes have to hit wood extra times when it is really squirrely stuff. Rob, if somebody gave you a pile of crotches and gnarley stuff to split, I'd be more concerned about what it was you did to make that man angry rather than which splitter you have, since that isn't normal firewood.
Firewood is normally a mix. You get a few crotches, and a lot of straight stuff. The SS is faster on the straight stuff, and then can need a couple hits on tougher stuff that a hydraulic would keep pushing through. Though you can stall either one. But if you are running 80-90% straight wood with some crotches thrown in (like you would expect in a normal mix), overall you certainly won't be any worse with a kinetic than a hydraulic.
And Roger - keep your hands off the round when splitting! Or at best only on top. A couple times there, you had your fingers over the edge... Keep all 10 intact!
Yes, I sometimes have to hit wood extra times when it is really squirrely stuff. Rob, if somebody gave you a pile of crotches and gnarley stuff to split, I'd be more concerned about what it was you did to make that man angry rather than which splitter you have, since that isn't normal firewood.
Firewood is normally a mix. You get a few crotches, and a lot of straight stuff. The SS is faster on the straight stuff, and then can need a couple hits on tougher stuff that a hydraulic would keep pushing through. Though you can stall either one. But if you are running 80-90% straight wood with some crotches thrown in (like you would expect in a normal mix), overall you certainly won't be any worse with a kinetic than a hydraulic.And Roger - keep your hands off the round when splitting! Or at best only on top. A couple times there, you had your fingers over the edge... Keep all 10 intact!
Sawyer Rob
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I don't know the model SS I tried?
Pride in your firewood? MY wood stove has NEVER complained about ANY piece of wood I put in it! lol lol I burn my firewood, not admire how it looks!
I ALSO posted a vid of a SS in tough wood...
I don't "lift" wood onto the beam of my splitter, I work SMARTER not harder! I roll or slide them off my wagon onto the beam.
I have no idea how fast your splitter is? Mine is plenty fast, and it will push EVERYTHING through the 4 way, the FIRST try, not 5 minutes to get one chunk split, like in the vid I posted.
Hundreds of folks saw what happen at the shoot out, including me... No excuses needed... lol
Lastly, I don't have a $10,000.00 splitter, so I have no idea how one runs... BUT I EXPECT any splitter in my possession, to split EVERYTHING I need split, and my TW will do it, first try every try, no need to break out the chainsaw, taking even more time to get my wood split!
SR
Sawyer Rob
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My nice straight wood goes to my BSM, the crotches are firewood and they make EXCELLENT firewood!!Yes, I sometimes have to hit wood extra times when it is really squirrely stuff. Rob, if somebody gave you a pile of crotches and gnarley stuff to split, I'd be more concerned about what it was you did to make that man angry rather than which splitter you have, since that isn't normal firewood.
The splits from ONE of those crotches, will heat my house all night long! Why wouldn't I want them? Especially, since my splitter makes short work of them!
SR
Hey Roger. I haven't heard about the Split second before, but I know a few places have cloned and/or improved the SS in recent years. I've had an SS for a few years now. It works well. What are the big improvements you found with the split second vs SS? Curious.
Yes, I sometimes have to hit wood extra times when it is really squirrely stuff. Rob, if somebody gave you a pile of crotches and gnarley stuff to split, I'd be more concerned about what it was you did to make that man angry rather than which splitter you have, since that isn't normal firewood.
And Roger - keep your hands off the round when splitting! Or at best only on top. A couple times there, you had your fingers over the edge... Keep all 10 intact!
How's it going Dave. The Split Second came out in 2014. I forgot you had a Super Split. The Split Second is road towable, has a retractable tongue, wider stance, larger table, engine sits lower for lower center of gravity, and a high ground clearance. I actually have a video of all of that too:laughing: I've found it is easier to show it in a video than to try to type it out or post pics.
Laderbuilt
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I own two log splitters.
My first was a hand me down MTD 20 ton splitter. It's can lay horizontal or stand vertical. It's slow. About 40 seconds each way. However it has split anything I ask of it. Some things so nasty it literally blew them apart with a bang! However it has no table and did I mention it's slow? When I'm splitting normal wood "normal is knots,straight,stringy,wood" it's painfully slow.
The guy who links a picture with all sorts of gunk on the trunk I would not split with the hydraulic, I'd cut it with the saw! Then maybe split it up but if he wants to split it that way and can good for him. Thankfully my wood doesn't look like that but maybe one piece a year if that.
My other splitter is a new model SuperSplit HD. I picked it up straight from the factory. I got to deal with the father and son who own and run the company and build some of the units I say some because they do have employees.
Great people, super honest to work and deal with and its built in my home state. Talk about keeping my money local! They carry parts right down to their first ever model. A big plus in my book.
On to performance. Will a super split , split everything? NOPE!
Will it split 98% of what you typically get YEP!
I've split 15 chords of pine from super knotty to straight board lumber quality
"I have an outdoor boiler so no chastising on the pine folks." However I do need to split the pine to get good burns from it.
This summer the super split honestly freed my time up so much I was able to take a month off in the summer to enjoy life! I know it's sounds stupid but when it would take me a weekend or two to get thru what I had cut during the week it ate my free time up. With the super split I was able to split in one 8-9 hour day what it took me all two or four 9-10 hour days to do on the hydraulic.
I still use my hydraulic to split the "monsters" the rounds so big I have to stand the splitter up and still fight to get it split. Once a manageable size I go back to the super split. The super split has split, Oaks of all type, ash, maple, swamp maple, pine , hickory, butternut, cedar, poplar, I've split a lot of Y's and butts. I will say there is a learning curve to using it and I'm still learning! However the more I learn the faster this thing cranks! I've stalled it and slipped the belt no biggie though back off the raw and reset and whack it again. Three or four "whacks or bam! if your Flinstones oriented lol" is still a lot faster then my hydraulic is just one way!
My first was a hand me down MTD 20 ton splitter. It's can lay horizontal or stand vertical. It's slow. About 40 seconds each way. However it has split anything I ask of it. Some things so nasty it literally blew them apart with a bang! However it has no table and did I mention it's slow? When I'm splitting normal wood "normal is knots,straight,stringy,wood" it's painfully slow.
The guy who links a picture with all sorts of gunk on the trunk I would not split with the hydraulic, I'd cut it with the saw! Then maybe split it up but if he wants to split it that way and can good for him. Thankfully my wood doesn't look like that but maybe one piece a year if that.
My other splitter is a new model SuperSplit HD. I picked it up straight from the factory. I got to deal with the father and son who own and run the company and build some of the units I say some because they do have employees.
Great people, super honest to work and deal with and its built in my home state. Talk about keeping my money local! They carry parts right down to their first ever model. A big plus in my book.
On to performance. Will a super split , split everything? NOPE!
Will it split 98% of what you typically get YEP!
I've split 15 chords of pine from super knotty to straight board lumber quality
"I have an outdoor boiler so no chastising on the pine folks." However I do need to split the pine to get good burns from it.
This summer the super split honestly freed my time up so much I was able to take a month off in the summer to enjoy life! I know it's sounds stupid but when it would take me a weekend or two to get thru what I had cut during the week it ate my free time up. With the super split I was able to split in one 8-9 hour day what it took me all two or four 9-10 hour days to do on the hydraulic.
I still use my hydraulic to split the "monsters" the rounds so big I have to stand the splitter up and still fight to get it split. Once a manageable size I go back to the super split. The super split has split, Oaks of all type, ash, maple, swamp maple, pine , hickory, butternut, cedar, poplar, I've split a lot of Y's and butts. I will say there is a learning curve to using it and I'm still learning! However the more I learn the faster this thing cranks! I've stalled it and slipped the belt no biggie though back off the raw and reset and whack it again. Three or four "whacks or bam! if your Flinstones oriented lol" is still a lot faster then my hydraulic is just one way!
With big ugly knots on the wood it does not stack well. The knots take up space in the stove so you can't get a good load in the stove.
I never saw a video of the Super Split in tough wood I just saw the one with the old Super Split with 75lb flywheels getting the job done.
Well lets see a video of you rolling it off the wagon and splitting it. I have showed you videos of my splitter and I even showed you a video of my tractor lifting better than a 1/2 cord of the FEL when you said it was not possible.
So know you don't know how fast my splitter is but all along you have been saying yours is faster:confused3: Once again anyone could see that guy did not attack the wood right. Anybody that has split any wood know it is faster to keep splitting the wood in half until it is down to your desired size. I thought before the problem was the splitter going into "bam bam" mode.
A video of the shoot out would have been nice. They never updated their site yet either........... With hundereds of people being there you would have thought one would have had a smart phone and taken a video.
I never said you had a $10k splitter.
LOL, I don't care what kind of splitter you have ripping that piece into a manageable size would be faster. Large peices are tough to handle. When I was cutting the wood it would have been done in under 20 seconds.
It is very democratic of you to keep dodging certain things I say.
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Rob, if that is your splitter in that photo, then it is easily 2-3x the cost of a Kinetic. Timberwolf makes nice stuff, for sure, and they charge accordingly. 4-ways (and up) have some nice advantages, but to get best use of them regarding efficient use of incoming wood, they need to be adjustable on the fly to the round size that is incoming. That is pretty much processor territory. Now I'll say right out, that if you are putting log sections like that on your splitter, you are crazy. The time it takes for equipment to handle stuff like that is not worth it. I am with Roger on this one and would break it in 2 and noodle that for sure (the 660 would eat it up). No way i would want to deal with "rounds" that size, and few people would or do. If it works for you, great, but it seems like you have a "kinetic chip" on your shoulder. Your splitter works. Bully for you. Mine does too, and I have no real complaints (I've yet to see perfection in anything...). I've gotten better with it as I have run more through it, too. So bully for me.
Laderbuilt
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Bingo! Is was a big aha moment for me when I was unsure about the supersplit. I had looked at it from a lot of angles but was still afraid to do it. It was my wife who asked me one day why I was using the maul or wedge and sledge and "working the rounds instead of using the hydraulic splitter. My answer was it's faster. This wood doesn't need phenomenal cosmic power "that works on cosmic time" in a little space to get split. She then asked how much of our wood is like that my answer was about 95% of it. She then said so why are you unsure on this other splitter?
The Split Second log lift fits the Super Split also. If you had the log lift you might not need a hydraulic splitter.
Split Second Log Splitter | Accessories > Log Lift
I remember you had a 660 and a 361. The other Dave/xring has the same 2 saws.
