Kioti Broken in Half

   / Kioti Broken in Half #141  
2 operators in 2 machines can get more done. You can work 2 sites at once with 2 machines which I do frequently. Also if one machine were to break you still have half your equipment vs none.
2 operators also adds a lot more wages, but yes, you do get done faster.
Probably depends more on the task than anything. Some city work has very little room for 2 machines.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #142  
2 operators also adds a lot more wages, but yes, you do get done faster.
Probably depends more on the task than anything. Some city work has very little room for 2 machines.

The city here still does a lot with their backhoe probably because it’s easy to drive around.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #143  
2 operators in 2 machines can get more done. You can work 2 sites at once with 2 machines which I do frequently. Also if one machine were to break you still have half your equipment vs none. I wouldn’t be anti the idea if the cost was reasonable but that’s more money than I have in my CTL, mini excavator, backhoe, and dump truck combined.
Absolutely. Rarely is a Swiss Army Knife better. And it's never better for a specific task.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #144  
The city here still does a lot with their backhoe probably because it’s easy to drive around.
Right, and a backhoe is just one machine.
If you’ve ever been to Europes older cities, theres 1/2 the space as there is here. So one small SAK can make the difference between doing the job and not at all. Even the euro hoes have compact stabilizers

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   / Kioti Broken in Half #145  
The city here still does a lot with their backhoe probably because it’s easy to drive around.
That's the big advantage of a TLB over an Excavator. On small, frequent jobs, scattered over a town/small city, the TLB reigns supreme.

Couple weeks ago I drove my TLB 2 miles to the local cemetary and put in a new entrance culvert. Took 30 minutes of hoe work. Would have taken longer to load/unload an Excavator twice.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #146  
That's the big advantage of a TLB over an Excavator. On small, frequent jobs, scattered over a town/small city, the TLB reigns supreme.

Couple weeks ago I drove my TLB 2 miles to the local cemetary and put in a new entrance culvert. Took 30 minutes of hoe work. Would have taken longer to load/unload an Excavator twice.

It would be better if you were by yourself. When you’ve got a tilt trailer to make loading fast and you’re going to bring 17 trucks anyway like the city does there’s not much point.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #147  
It would be better if you were by yourself. When you’ve got a tilt trailer to make loading fast and you’re going to bring 17 trucks anyway like the city does there’s not much point.
Truth!!!! :ROFLMAO:
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #148  
I saw a neighbor digging for a new septic tank & field, so I hopped on the T5C and drove it next door. Dave had rented a mini-ex and urged me to operate because, "you're better at it". It maneuvered better along the snakey path he wanted to run one looong field line but I didn't appreciate the extra bobbing and wobbling of the ex, and digging wasn't the least bit easier for me.

My mini BH has ~ 1/2 the hp (20 vs ~35) and digs just as deep (>8') with the same 16" bucket but also weighs about 1/2 as much and will drive through a 4' wide gate. There is no best tool until one decides what the job requires. I have to reduce rpm (Honda GX 620) to avoid being tossed out when using the stinger to move sideways. With a full frame I doubt I could break it in half in any operating circumstance.

btw, another Dave wanted me to drive his own larger mini-ex after I repaired his CUT. (I drive NH, work on OP's Deeres) Meh.
 
   / Kioti Broken in Half #149  
I saw a neighbor digging for a new septic tank & field, so I hopped on the T5C and drove it next door. Dave had rented a mini-ex and urged me to operate because, "you're better at it". It maneuvered better along the snakey path he wanted to run one looong field line but I didn't appreciate the extra bobbing and wobbling of the ex, and digging wasn't the least bit easier for me.

My mini BH has ~ 1/2 the hp (20 vs ~35) and digs just as deep (>8') with the same 16" bucket but also weighs about 1/2 as much and will drive through a 4' wide gate. There is no best tool until one decides what the job requires. I have to reduce rpm (Honda GX 620) to avoid being tossed out when using the stinger to move sideways. With a full frame I doubt I could break it in half in any operating circumstance.

btw, another Dave wanted me to drive his own larger mini-ex after I repaired his CUT. (I drive NH, work on OP's Deeres) Meh.
Just curious how often you use an excavator? Hoping on something you're not used to for one job and saying it's not as good as what you used l to is kinda funny. The fact that you were "bobbing and wobbling" says to me you're not smooth with the controls and don't know what your doing.(with an excavator)
 
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   / Kioti Broken in Half #150  
Just curious how often you use an excavator? Hoping on something you're not used to for one job and saying it's not as good as what you used l to is kinda funny. The fact that you were "bobbing and wobbling" says to me you're not smooth with the controls and don't know what your doing.(with an excavator)

My thoughts exactly. My Deere 410 and my previous 310 have pretty good controls. Far better than most tractor backhoes have. But even if you gained nothing else from the mini the pilot joysticks in my mini and sitting beside the boom vs directly behind it is a big improvement over the backhoe. Also the mini has fast hydraulics. A skilled operator could take 3 buckets to every one the tractor backhoe could do. I do kinda miss a backhoes ability to level itself but that’s not enough to give up the mini. And the backhoe is pretty good at digging a ditch. That’s not what I would demonstrate to prove the differences.
 
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