Comparison Kioti CK3510 vs Kubota 3350SU

[CaptainKarl]

Either will work well for you but the added lift capability of the Kioti is a big benefit and the hydraulic flow is better too for potential future uses. Both have good warranties and then consider financing options each offer - Kubota requires insurance with their financing - not sure about Kioti.

More questions for the dealer. He listed a discount of around $2K for cash, need to know what financing part of it would do there. I can pay cash, and hate payments, but it would cut down my liquid funds further than I prefer.

Several things you should consider - bundling the things you want/need in the purchase now should yield more purchasing leverage and later on they could be more - so address this financially now vs later

That is one lesson I have learned over the years, saving $500 now can cost $800 later.

- Rear Blade or Box blade - for counter balance and utility - Box blade is good for driveway leveling but in the roots and rocks we have in NE a tooth bar on the bucket may be better - rear blade is good for snow and leveling - get the hydraulic tilt if you can

Your profile says you're in NH. Did you mean in New Hampshire, or in Nebraska? OK, I am not dumb, but in the early stages of being educated. What would one do with a hydraulic tilt?

Yes, a number of people have told me that the lighter the weight of the tractor, the more important it is to have ballast when doing FEL work. Some have suggested blades, others ballast box, but all said it was a good idea and it will be much less scary for me when I first start to get a feel for it.

I was thinking of a rachet rake for tearing out the shallow root runners. I have a far less than smooth surface on where I mow (and none of it level), and was thinking of a box blade to try to fill in the ruts, dips and tear down the mole runs. Driveway is mostly asphalt, but up toward the shop and the parking are behind the house are just gravel. (Wife wants the parking to be paved - TBD). Box blade good for all the above?

- Rear remote hydraulic valves - get at least one set

There is something I wanted to ask about, thank you for reminding me. I have a friend who lives about 5 west of me, has been on his acreage for ~40 years and seems to like the idea of "mentoring" me in acreage stewardship. (His place is fabulous). He currently has tractor #3 and #4 in his toy barn. He has no idea why having a set of rear hydraulic remotes would be used for, and neither do I. Please educate me as to why I would want them. I won't even argue that it would almost certainly cheaper to have them put on prior to delivery (see above).

- Grapple - invaluable for brush clearing and clean up woods

Given the wood and brush I have to collect that wasn't even a question. My "mentor" says he uses it more than anything else he can put on his tractor. That brings up the question what type of grapple. I had no idea there were so many variations and speciality grapples! Like I said, mostly for picking up logs and brush, but I am sure there is much more I can do with the "right" grapple. Any suggestions?

- Bucket hooks - have them weld on three

I can see many uses for that, why three, and would they face in or out of the bucket?

- Loaded rear tires - for stability and added ballast

That is quite likely. Just need to find out how many $.

- If you envision changing out 3pt implements frequently get a quick hitch setup

I don't currently, but also don't want to limit myself either. I take it this is not to be confused with a SSQA? I should be able to put nearly any type of 3PH implement (that the tractor can handle), right?

- 50 hour service - see if they will include this and pickup/delivery - also this is a good time if there are any "issues" to have these resolved.

Excellent idea, especially with the shop 60 miles away, thanks so much.

 

[Carl_NH]

HI Karl

- NE = New England
- Ratchet Rake - Don't waste your $ - they work well in sandy/loam/clay soils - not good in ledge and rocks and roots - I have one for 4 years - used twice for grading - I thought it would work to reclaim forest but it bounced off the rocks and ledge. Get a tooth bar instead - you can use this with your loader and don't need to take it on and off.
- Financing - pay majority like $15-18K and finance the rest with Kioti and still get the $2K Discount
- 3PT Quick Hitch - Essentially this is a steel triangle that connects your 3PT arms and top link on the back of the tractor into one unit with hooks that you back up to the implement and "hook up" without dealing with connecting all three points separately - this is a PIA.
- Rear Remote Valves - These allow hydraulic implements like the TOP & TILT for the rear blade - for your use I would not suggest a Box blade as they don't work well in rough soils and rocks - a heavy duty box blade with top and tilt on the 3PT would be a better tool in my opinion. The rear blade with hydraulics you can carve trails and ditches and do more.
- Grapple - get one! There are many good brands out there - you can get one with dual pistons or one piston.
-SSQA - always on the front of the tractor - this is for your FEL bucket and also, forks, and also snow blades

Enjoy your search..

Carl

 

[varmint]

You're getting lots of good advice. For a rear blade top n tilt, you would need two rear remotes. My L3400 came with one rear remote, and I use it for angling a front mounted snow blade via a pair of hydraulic hoses running up to the front. I could use it for a grapple, also, if I had one. The loader third function is what that is for, and makes for a neater installation, buts cost more than a simple rear remote. You want the SSQA for a grapple, pallet forks or a snow blade (or loader bucket, of course). The tooth bar is good advice.

 

[CaptainKarl]

HI Karl

- NE = New England

Duh! Didn't occur to me, since it's also the two letter for Nebraska I guess.

- Ratchet Rake - Don't waste your $ - they work well in sandy/loam/clay soils - not good in ledge and rocks and roots - I have one for 4 years - used twice for grading - I thought it would work to reclaim forest but it bounced off the rocks and ledge. Get a tooth bar instead - you can use this with your loader and don't need to take it on and off.

Gee and it looked so good on the promotional videos! :laughing: Thanks for the tip, I likely would have spent the $300 TSC wants for one.

- Financing - pay majority like $15-18K and finance the rest with Kioti and still get the $2K Discount

I need to find out what the "cutoff" is, but kinda what I was thinking. Jason (Kioti dealer/salesman) seems quite easy to work with so far, and he uses them on his farm, so he has personal knowledge of what's what!

- 3PT Quick Hitch - Essentially this is a steel triangle that connects your 3PT arms and top link on the back of the tractor into one unit with hooks that you back up to the implement and "hook up" without dealing with connecting all three points separately - this is a PIA.

I like easy, just need to look at the dollars. We only bought the place 2 years ago, and have remodeled the kitchen, are turning a screened in porch to a 3-season porch, so not sitting on a pile of dollars. On the bright side my dear wife of all these decades does more than she likely should in outside work (she loves power tools!), and says she doesn't see how we can get done things we've discussed without buying a tractor. She also likes the idea of a shiny one, with a warranty. :thumbsup:

- Rear Remote Valves - These allow hydraulic implements like the TOP & TILT for the rear blade - for your use I would not suggest a Box blade as they don't work well in rough soils and rocks - a heavy duty box blade with top and tilt on the 3PT would be a better tool in my opinion.

OK, I've read that 3 times now.... :confused2: You don't recommend a box blade, but think I should get a box blade? You mean one with more bells and whistles, right? IOW, not just something heavy to drag behind the tractor, but one with more control and options for how it bites into the dirt/gravel/grass?

The rear blade with hydraulics you can carve trails and ditches and do more.

That would come in handy!

- Grapple - get one! There are many good brands out there - you can get one with dual pistons or one piston.

Just talked to my acreage owning buddy. He uses one all the time, he's never had one with dual cylinders, but a neighbor of his has one and thinks it's the greatest thing he's ever had. Makes picking up logs with boles or root base much easier and safer.

-SSQA - always on the front of the tractor - this is for your FEL bucket and also, forks, and also snow blades

Enjoy your search..

Carl

I have enjoyed this, it's been great to hear from people who have real world experience in buying and operating this type of equipment. I really like the community here!

I am not home as much as I want to be, but alas, I never had a rich uncle, so i do have to work. I'll be going back to the Kioti dealer armed with more questions and a check book when I get back from Germany at the end of next week. Will keep you all posted, and hope to have pictures on my profile sometime soon. (Yes, I have decided on a different shade of orange than what I started out thinking I would get.)

 

[CaptainKarl]

You're getting lots of good advice. For a rear blade top n tilt, you would need two rear remotes. My L3400 came with one rear remote, and I use it for angling a front mounted snow blade via a pair of hydraulic hoses running up to the front. I could use it for a grapple, also, if I had one. The loader third function is what that is for, and makes for a neater installation, buts cost more than a simple rear remote. You want the SSQA for a grapple, pallet forks or a snow blade (or loader bucket, of course). The tooth bar is good advice.

I do like this community! I've read about people wanting 4 RR, I will add at least two. I knew I needed a third function for the grapple, what I didn't know was all the other things I could use it for. Dealer walked me through how the hydraulic hoses would be added, and it would have an additional lever to run it. He said Kioti is coming out with their own grapple by summer, and they would be able to put the 3rd function on a thumb valve on the joy stick once it does, which I think would be cool, just don't think I want to wait that long.

 

[TJP89]

I do like this community! I've read about people wanting 4 RR, I will add at least two. I knew I needed a third function for the grapple, what I didn't know was all the other things I could use it for. Dealer walked me through how the hydraulic hoses would be added, and it would have an additional lever to run it. He said Kioti is coming out with their own grapple by summer, and they would be able to put the 3rd function on a thumb valve on the joy stick once it does, which I think would be cool, just don't think I want to wait that long.

Plenty of aftermarket options right now will put the 3rd function control on the joystick, no need to wait.

Rear remotes control hydraulic functions for implements on the rear of the tractor, Hydro toplink and sidelink, hydro blade angle, all kinds. Very useful.

I find it hard to believe the CK3510 weighs 500lbs less than the CK35, which is what I have and I know it weighs well over 3000#.

On the brand, of course I'm going to say Kioti, but for a reason. The CK35 was better than the Ls for the features and more tractor. The CK3510 doesn't have most of those, but it has one very important thing the kubota doesn't. Position control. I will never buy a tractor without it. It allows precision placement of the 3PTH, invaluable. Why Kubota won't put it on the base tractors I don't know, because almost every other manufactuer does. For that reason alone, even though the Kioti is better than the Kubota in other ways, I would get the Kioti.

 

[TJP89]

I do like this community! I've read about people wanting 4 RR, I will add at least two. I knew I needed a third function for the grapple, what I didn't know was all the other things I could use it for. Dealer walked me through how the hydraulic hoses would be added, and it would have an additional lever to run it. He said Kioti is coming out with their own grapple by summer, and they would be able to put the 3rd function on a thumb valve on the joy stick once it does, which I think would be cool, just don't think I want to wait that long.

Plenty of aftermarket options right now will put the 3rd function control on the joystick, no need to wait.

Rear remotes control hydraulic functions for implements on the rear of the tractor, Hydro toplink and sidelink, hydro blade angle, all kinds. Very useful.

I find it hard to believe the CK3510 weighs 500lbs less than the CK35, which is what I have and I know it weighs well over 3000#.

On the brand, of course I'm going to say Kioti, but for a reason. The CK35 was better than the Ls for the features and more tractor. The CK3510 doesn't have most of those, but it has one very important thing the kubota doesn't. Position control. I will never buy a tractor without it. It allows precision placement of the 3PTH, invaluable. Why Kubota won't put it on the base tractors I don't know, because almost every other manufactuer does. For that reason alone, even though the Kioti is better than the Kubota in other ways, I would get the Kioti.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

I really don't think the quarter-inching valve is a problem Ive used both (including in the teir3 version of the 3350su the 3300su) and could be very precise with either with practice.
Something to consider is how incredibly good the Kubota insurance it. It is essentially fault-free replacement insurance for the life of the loan even after the warranty exspires. My dealer had a customer who sunk their new mini excavator through the ice on his pond. Sat there all winter ti it could be pulled out. Kabota paid to replace all the electronics and wiring for nothing but the cost of the deductible ($200 I think).
Also, when I looked at Kioti in NH all the dealer were smaller and had not delt in Kioti very long.

 

[k0ua]

I really don't think the quarter-inching valve is a problem Ive used both (including in the teir3 version of the 3350su the 3300su) and could be very precise with either with practice.
Something to consider is how incredibly good the Kubota insurance it. It is essentially fault-free replacement insurance for the life of the loan even after the warranty exspires. My dealer had a customer who sunk their new mini excavator through the ice on his pond. Sat there all winter ti it could be pulled out. Kabota paid to replace all the electronics and wiring for nothing but the cost of the deductible ($200 I think).
Also, when I looked at Kioti in NH all the dealer were smaller and had not delt in Kioti very long.

Luke, it is not that 1/4 inching cannot be placed exactly where you want it. That is not the problem. You CAN place the hitch exactly where you want it. BUT there are two things. One it will not stay there, as the cylinder leaks down in 15 to 20 minutes with a load on it, there is no mechanism but you to put it back where you want it.. With position control, there is an automatic feedback mechanism that keeps the hitch at the exact height it was set for. The second item is how you set the position you want after you lift the hitch all the way up. With quarter inching you must manually set the proper height each and every time by raising or lowering the hitch until you estimate it is back at the correct height.. With position control you can set a stop on the numbered arc of the control and return it to the same height in a heartbeat.

It is all a matter of time and ease of use. Position control is MUCH easier to use and MUCH less trouble to keep it at the correct height. As I pointed out this may or may not matter to the end user. If all you do is raise a mower up and drop it all the way to the ground, then it will not matter. But if you need a precise height each and every time the 3pt hitch is raised and lowered without "fiddling" then you want position control.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Ok. FWIW I did a lot of work with the boxblade and seemed to be just as precise and expedient. Never noticed any leak down on my machine (definitely not in 10-15 min) but I can see how that would be annoying if it was the case.
Unfortunately, nothing near me is precisely flat/level enough to use the pos contol numbers (maybe for hooking up attachments?). Ill always have to look behind me to precisely alter the height of a 3pt attachment relative to the ground.
Just relating my experience and opinion as we all do.