Kioti CS2410 with splitfire log splitter

[rmryanjr]

I think you're right Piston. The rig will take 90% of the stuff I feed it so I think I'll be making myself happy. Next tractor I get, I'll be checking the hydraulics better though.

I'm glad I found this thread, because I was looking at log splitters
for my cs2410. Too bad it's not working for you. I had a thought that the
Hydraulics wouldn't be high enough to run a splitter. I really would like find a screw type PTO
Splitter. The only one I like is manufactured in the UK and can't seem to find if it's sold in the US.

 

[Steve_Miller]

Here is a chart for force of a cylinder with both extending and retracting forces. There tons of these on the net.

Steve

 

[milkman]

I'm glad I found this thread, because I was looking at log splitters
for my cs2410. Too bad it's not working for you. I had a thought that the
Hydraulics wouldn't be high enough to run a splitter. I really would like find a screw type PTO
Splitter. The only one I like is manufactured in the UK and can't seem to find if it's sold in the US.

The screw type splitters for the PTO have not been sold new here since the '70s. I wanted one for years and finally found one on CL for $120. People are scared of them, but just use common sense like any machine. It is different and I enjoy running it.

 

[Steve_Miller]

I knew a guy that lost an arm up to the shoulder using one of those things. This was thirty some years ago when guards and safety weren't so prominent. He reached over the screw for some reason and his old dangling jack shirt caught and started winding in the block of wood and he couldn't reach the PTO lever as it pulled him in until it tore his arm off just above the elbow. Gruesome, stupid, inatentive, call it what you like but a two second lapse in judgement cost him dearly.


Steve

 

[rmryanjr]

I knew a guy that lost an arm up to the shoulder using one of those things. This was thirty some years ago when guards and safety weren't so prominent. He reached over the screw for some reason and his old dangling jack shirt caught and started winding in the block of wood and he couldn't reach the PTO lever as it pulled him in until it tore his arm off just above the elbow. Gruesome, stupid, inatentive, call it what you like but a two second lapse in judgement cost him dearly.


Steve

Steve,

Thanks for the story. I considered myself a pretty safe guy since I worked for a
company that preached Safety , Safety, safety.
I'm surprised I didn't see that if it caught any clothing it could pull you
right in. wow
I buy my wood split right now but want to buy full logs and cut/split myself. I haven't
figured out if it would be cost effective or time v/s cost yet. This is the first year that I'll be using
about 5 cords.

Thanks again,
Bob

 

[Michjim6464]

Could it be that the (on or around 1-29-14) it was very cold in Michigan?
That whole week was VERY cold out. Temps never topped 15 degrees.

 

[Michjim6464]

We do agree about one thing.

I just seen this review and it appears that you may have needed a (much larger) 35-50HP tractor for your 4 acre plot and other needs and may have pushed the 2410 beyond its limitations.

And the cs2410 (based on your review) was not given a fair assessment.


Kioti CS2410 Review by Tim Shufflin - TractorByNet.com

 

[timshufflin]

We do agree about one thing.

I just seen this review and it appears that you may have needed a (much larger) 35-50HP tractor for your 4 acre plot and other needs and may have pushed the 2410 beyond its limitations.

And the cs2410 (based on your review) was not given a fair assessment.


Kioti CS2410 Review by Tim Shufflin - TractorByNet.com

Well, let's discus it, what wasn't fair about my "assessment"? If you have a .2 acre garden or a 4 acre garden, how does/should the review differ? What wasn't fair about the review? The things that have failed on the tractor would have failed if I had a 2 acre homestead or a 100 acre farm.

The drawbacks of this tractor are about time being used, not size of acreage. I put just over 100 hours on my tractor last year, is that so much? Of those 120 hours about 90 hours were just mowing the lawn. Having roller wheel retainer clips and grease fittings fall off and knocked off is not about the size of the lawn but about Time In Use. They fall off over Time In Use when the vulnerable areas of these items are not in a good location. My Simplicity Legacy is a much smaller tractor and I never once lost a deck roller wheel and I have 700 hours on that machine. Come to think of it, the Simplicity only had one mechanical failure, the right steering bearing on the axle gave out after about 7 years.

The log splitter issue, the tractor review, were not ever reported by me until I had used this tractor for a good amount of time. Why would I wait? Because only a fool jumps on a piece of machinery and rates its performance half cocked. A review has to be about overall performance over time, my Kioti wins in some areas and falls short in others.

By the way, my dealer specifically suggested the log splitter I have as the perfect splitter for this tractor. If a Kioti dealer thinks this is the splitter to have then shouldn't I believe that it is? Again, if you have a half acre or 200 acres of woods, shouldn't the splitter be able to split a basic stick of wood efficiently?

Everything I have for my tractor was sold to me by my dealer as an item that this tractor could handle. I've had IHC super C's that had less HP than this tractor BUT they had the ground clearance. Ground clearance, Cruise control failure and Injection pump failures has been the real drawback of this tractor, not HP.

By the way, I have 32 acres, not 4. I just garden, plant, cultivate, plow, 4 acres.

Edit post, my simplicity did lose a roller wheel once, it took 10 years to do it though.

 

[rider7767]

Well, let's discus it, what wasn't fair about my "assessment"? If you have a .2 acre garden or a 4 acre garden, how does/should the review differ? What wasn't fair about the review? The things that have failed on the tractor would have failed if I had a 2 acre homestead or a 100 acre farm.

The drawbacks of this tractor are about time being used, not size of acreage. I put just over 100 hours on my tractor last year, is that so much? Of those 120 hours about 90 hours were just mowing the lawn. Having roller wheel retainer clips and grease fittings fall off and knocked off is not about the size of the lawn but about Time In Use. They fall off over Time In Use when the vulnerable areas of these items are not in a good location. My Simplicity Legacy is a much smaller tractor and I never once lost a deck roller wheel and I have 700 hours on that machine. Come to think of it, the Simplicity only had one mechanical failure, the right steering bearing on the axle gave out after about 7 years.

The log splitter issue, the tractor review, were not ever reported by me until I had used this tractor for a good amount of time. Why would I wait? Because only a fool jumps on a piece of machinery and rates its performance half cocked. A review has to be about overall performance over time, my Kioti wins in some areas and falls short in others.

By the way, my dealer specifically suggested the log splitter I have as the perfect splitter for this tractor. If a Kioti dealer thinks this is the splitter to have then shouldn't I believe that it is? Again, if you have a half acre or 200 acres of woods, shouldn't the splitter be able to split a basic stick of wood efficiently?

Everything I have for my tractor was sold to me by my dealer as an item that this tractor could handle. I've had IHC super C's that had less HP than this tractor BUT they had the ground clearance. Ground clearance, Cruise control failure and Injection pump failures has been the real drawback of this tractor, not HP.

By the way, I have 32 acres, not 4. I just garden, plant, cultivate, plow, 4 acres.

Edit post, my simplicity did lose a roller wheel once, it took 10 years to do it though.

I thought you gave an insightful well thought out review. I looked at the CS2410, but I hate buying the first few years of anything. It takes a few years to work out the kinks. I ended up going with the CK20S. Great to have you on board.

 

[timshufflin]

Bringing back this thread, I have the same splitfire logsplitter is described on page 2 of this thread. I'm upgrading to the CK2510 which does NOT list the pressure for the pump. I'm assuming that it's about 24 to 35 percent more, maybe 2200 to 2300 PSI. You all think the CK2510 will be a vast improvement or not? I'm making the leap because the CK is higher and now has the Mid mower.

 

[handtools]

I don't know if the splitter will work vastly better or not but the relief valve setting on the loader is 2275 psi and the backhoe operating pressure is 2000 psi. I have checked my pressures and they are at or slightly over spec.

 

[timshufflin]

I just spoke to my dealer and he said that he "thought" the CK 2510 would have 2500 PSI. I asked if he has put a gauge to one yet and he said no.

 

[Buggs67]

As stated earlier GPM=speed. PSI=power. My friend has a L3010 30 HP tractor and his TSC splitter is slloooowww. But powerful.

My tow behind has this two stage pump http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200321051_200321051 linked to a 5.5 hp Honda and a 24" stroke 4" diameter cylinder. It will put out a max 3000PSI.

A 3pt splitter will be slow and weak unless you have 11 GPM and 2700 PSI.

If you added another valve set at the tractors max up to the splitters max you will up the power (IMO).

My advice is sell it and buy a tow behind. It frees up your tractor to bring wood to the splitter and a 5.5hp Honda at 3500rpm uses less gas than a 25 hp tractor at 2600 rpm.

My :2cents: and not an expert.

BTW the pump on the CK2510 is rated at 11.3 GPM but according to knowledgeable people here that is split between the steering and all other uses (about 5-6 GPM for the steering)

Also, the BH is supposed to be operating at 2,466 PSI, so the power should be there, just not the speed. (FEL relief shd be 2,275 PSI).

 

[timshufflin]

As stated earlier GPM=speed. PSI=power. My friend has a L3010 30 HP tractor and his TSC splitter is slloooowww. But powerful.

My tow behind has this two stage pump http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200321051_200321051 linked to a 5.5 hp Honda and a 24" stroke 4" diameter cylinder. It will put out a max 3000PSI.

A 3pt splitter will be slow and weak unless you have 11 GPM and 2700 PSI.

If you added another valve set at the tractors max up to the splitters max you will up the power (IMO).

My advice is sell it and buy a tow behind. It frees up your tractor to bring wood to the splitter and a 5.5hp Honda at 3500rpm uses less gas than a 25 hp tractor at 2600 rpm.

My :2cents: and not an expert.

BTW the pump on the CK2510 is rated at 11.3 GPM but according to knowledgeable people here that is split between the steering and all other uses (about 5-6 GPM for the steering)

Also, the BH is supposed to be operating at 2,466 PSI, so the power should be there, just not the speed. (FEL relief shd be 2,275 PSI).

I didn't have any problem with speed as it was on my 2410, it was slightly slow but not terrible. Being a two way splitter speed isn't that much of a factor.

 

[Buggs67]

I didn't have any problem with speed as it was on my 2410, it was slightly slow but not terrible. Being a two way splitter speed isn't that much of a factor.

" the BH is supposed to be operating at 2,466 PSI, so the power should be there, just not the speed. (FEL relief shd be 2,275 PSI)."

Then you should be happy if they set the relief pressure right. I think you said the dealer checked it and said it was OK. Ask him what the reading was. OK is an answer people give to shut you up. I suspect my loader relief is set too low but I'm not bringing it to the dealer to have him tell me it's "OK".

 

[Cariboospeed]

Thread from the dead, but its some good info and thought.
I'm about to modify an elec splitter with a shot motor to use on the tractor and mount on the 3pt. Been doing the math to see how it will work.

My CS2410 puts out 6.5gpm and 1850psi from the aux ports at the back.
The splitter cyl. I haven't measured, so I'll use the dimensions posted earlier in the thread, 2.75"x24"
Force=Area x pressure
a=Dsq x .8754 A=6.62 6.62x1850= 12,247pounds of force, or 6.12tons.
So that's going to be the power of the splitter. Now the cycle time....
Volume = Area x length 6.62 x 24 =158.8 cu in. A gallon is 231 cu in, so the cyl takes .68gal to fill.
That's close enough to one tenth of the 6.5gpm output so a full 24" stroke should be about 6 seconds. Thats one way, the other way (retract) the volume of the cyl will be less by the displacment of the rod, and a bit faster, although less power as well.
The pump, a gear pump with open center control, puts out 7hp.
Flow x psi/1714=HP 6.5x1850/1714=7.01
As pump outlet pressure increases, efficiancy deteriorates and flow slows a bit, but full 24" stroke is almost never needed either, most often 6-8" will break a block. So cycle time should be 4ish seconds.

 

[Buggs67]

Let us know how it goes. My Honda powered splitter has an 11GPM pump at 2750 psi. And it's adequately fast, much faster than my friends 3 pt splitter on his L3010. But I think we both have 24"x 4" cylinders. SO that volume will slow us down equally.

Also I like having the freedom of splitting and still being able to move the wood with the bucket. FWIW I bought my splitter long before I had a tractor and I might have been tempted to get a 3 pt splitter if I had a tractor.

 

[Mike Gibson]

I built a 3/4" plywood shelf for the side opposite the controls on my splitter. I park the tractor with the bucket almost touching the plywood and can rest halves on the plywood when I have to quarter a piece of wood. Cutting your wood to close to the same length also reduces your cycle time. Once you learn when to stop on retract. I use a stick and railroad chalk to mark the tree. Takes a minute or less and your wood stack will thank you. I've learned to fill the bucket and stack almost as much as the bucket holds on top of it. Then drive carefully to the wood shed.

 

[Buggs67]

I made a cross wedge to make it a 4 way splitter (only works on straight grain). And I marked 16,18 and 20 inches on my chainsaw so it acts as a ruler while bucking wood so they're about the same length.