Kioti Isn't Worth the Risk

BigAl · Jul 9, 2005

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To all you guy's out there ! Why don't you all go crawl on your favorite colored tractor ,no matter what brand it is and enjoy the day , for crying out loud ! This thread needs to be stopped before things get outta hand and people start getting mad . This thread is like asking a women her age or weight !!! Nobody wins in the end !
Allen

viking65 · Jul 9, 2005

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First Tier: JD, NH, Kub
Second Tier: MF, CC, AGCO
Third Tier: Zetor, Century, Branson
Fourth Tier: Jinma, Dong Feng, Kama, TYM
Fifth Tier: Daedong/Kioti, Belarus

Wow, after some careful analysis I guess Kioti slips all the way to fifth tier. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif But Kioti makes a great product!

Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2005

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Viking . . . at least be half way serious!

Kubota, JD, New Holland are without a doubt the top 3 brands. The would be the 1st tier.

After that it would get somewhat muddy as to who is in what tier and what would even be considered a tier. Mahindra is certainly the #4 brand in popularity and sales here in the United States (I have no clue about their sales in Canada).

Kioti is wildly popular here on TBN, but it probably ranks no higher than #6 or #7 or even #8? As Cub Cadet and Agco/Massey are reported to be #5 and #6 or #6 and #5 depending on who is talking and some argue Case/Farmall is about #6 so that muddies the water up even more.

But sales rankings do not speak the whole story. Kioti, while low in overall sales and market penetration, is a well integrated company that designs and builds its own machines and seems to do a pretty good job of that. It could be argued better than Cub Cadet, who relies on outside contractors for both design & build of at least some of its tractors, although it is hard to say that Cub doesn't do an excellent job on all of their smaller equipment because they are certainly a value and feature leader in smaller sizes. The biggest issue with Kioti seems to be dealers. I think we can all agree on that point, in fact it is the only one thing I see that both Kioti owners and non-owners seem to consistently state.

Donnyj · Jul 9, 2005

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You must sell Kubota's cheaper than anybody else. Every quote I got was over 20k. A 38 hp quote was exactly 20k. NH 40hp quote was 23k with no remote or light. If you sell a 50 hp tractor for under 18,500 or just a bit more I will be sure to pass that info on to anyone I know looking. You would honor that price......right?
Actually the 3830 qoute I got was 22,900. I had to go pick it up. Shuttle shift trans as well. 2 different dealers within 200 dollars of each other.

albmn10 · Jul 9, 2005

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Wow , what a lot of hot air being spewed here.. A simple statement to anyone out there intereseted in a kioti.. Find a good dealer who you feel comfortable with, and buy it.. Youll never look back at the other brands.. Awesome machines....Dont pay attention to the non kioti owners, simply ask someone who owns one.. Theres alot of propaganda out there, many with hidden motives, i shopped all the big brands before buying my Kioti, i love my Ck30 and im sure you will too.. They are " Pure Animal"

RedRocker · Jul 9, 2005

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( This thread needs to be stopped before things get outta hand and people start getting mad . This thread is like asking a women her age or weight !!! Nobody wins in the end !
Allen )

Shoot Al, anybody that lets opinions on the internet get their blood pressure up should find another hobby. I'm just so tickled to have a tractor that I'm all /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
If somebody else likes their choice, then I guess that makes us all happy.

Cowboyjg · Jul 9, 2005

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Al....I have to agree with red on this. 99% +/- of the people who participate in forums such as these have no real connection, except the love or dislike of the things that are discussed here. For ANY one to get upset (unless personally attacked of course) needs help. we all come here because we can say what we feel about the topic at hand and not have to worry about any real reprocussions. Think about it. For the most part, we all use identifiers that disquise who we really are. we do that for a variety of reasons. It allows us to express how we really feel about a particular topic. If someone wants to get mad, it's because they have issues that go well beyond these threads. Neither you or I are gonna help them with that. So....

If someone wants to get mad at a comment I make, that does not directly attack them for thier beliefs, then so be it. When I say something, I believe that I have a valid point. Disagree with me if you wish.....but to get mad doesn't make my life miserable...only thiers. The only reason to shut down a thread is because it has gotten off topic and there is no contribution. That is the moderators job (and lord knows I don't envy them).

BTW... I agree with you.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif....mostly

Dargo · Jul 9, 2005

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( If somebody else likes their choice, then I guess that makes us all happy. )

Boy, do I ever agree with your statement! I only feel the need to point out the ignorance of a poster when he feels the need to run down every other brand to justify why he bought whatever brand he bought. I like your style of thinking. If you like your tractor, got a good deal, and have a good dealer; well then, it's a great tractor and a great deal. Why can't some people leave it at that?! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Some constantly have to add that they drove XYZ brand and they were way over priced, that they looked at QRM brand and they were junk, and no tractor on earth is as well made as whatever (insert offending poster's brand) is and all others are overpriced junk bought only for status or by people who can't afford a "real" tractor. I can't help but to think that I heard that theory espoused by every person I know who bought a Yugo. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

If it's a good tractor, you're happy with it, you got it for a good price, and you have a good dealer, can't we just end our tractor elation there?! Why trash all others?!!! Gees! I'm voting for you for President! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BigAl · Jul 9, 2005

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Hey , I ain't mad at all . If a certain color tractor works for you ,I am happy for you . I myself have probably owned and ran more color tractors than most guy's here . That is what I did for thirty years .Some did the job better than others ,but in retrospect ,there's only one or two out there that I have no desire to climb back on . Granted most of the stuff I ran in my later years were much bigger and yellow and purred like a Cat or ran like a Deere, but I also owned a Kubota that served me well all the way to retirement . I only have the Kioti now and it also serves me well . So if "friendly disagreeing" is what you good ole boy's need to do ,than by all means have at . I think I will go clean up my own back yard first before I start on someone else's .
Al

DrewL · Jul 9, 2005

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I was cruising old threads and found this one with an interesting title (subject). I strongly believe that since it was first written Kioti was a concern amongst buyers for a whole host of reasons, dealers, parts availability, resale value, continued R&D of the product line, ect. Time has passed and to the best of my ability I can only determine that a dealer is about the ONLY reason someone wouldn't buy a Kioti. Even since my resurfacing of this thread, the common denominator is a dealer. Put a crappy 'Bota or JD dealer next to top notch Kioti or virtually any other brand for that matter dealer side by each and guess who wins?

No need to get all excited here guys it is just discussion. Point being, three years ago Kioti was being questioned as being worth the risk.........today I dare say yes. Plus you can remove the word "risk" from the discussion. Ever have a fellow tractor owner look at your Kioti without the "buyers remorse" look on their face? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Many times discussions in owner/operating forums is similar to asking Frank Purdue which chicken he prefers. In this case the thread was started as a product not being worth the risk which I feel is no longer true....................that's all