Kioti Isn't Worth the Risk

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Re: Kioti Isn\'t Worth the Risk

I agree Drew, the only good reason not to consider buying a Kioti would be a bad dealer. But by bad dealer I don’t mean small, some on this board seem to take great offense at guys with just a couple of tractors by the roadside and a fairly basic garage facility. Far too often do I see someone trying to make a start of it being slapped down by the knights of keyboard here on TBN, I suppose it’s a very tempting target sitting behind our computer screens with nothing on the line ourselves and no real likelihood of someone punching back. Myself as long as the fellow seemed knowledgeable, and reasonably likely to be there in the foreseeable future, I would probably be inclined to support him. Properly run this type of outfit can out compete a larger dealership; that is as long as the owner operator doesn’t have dreams of grandeur overnight. A large showroom and facilities is no guaranty of dealerships continued success.


As to offering up a Kioti model when it isn’t specifically mentioned in a thread. Sorry I don’t see a problem with it, as long as it makes sense. I’ve done it a couple of times, but only in the General/Buying/Pricing thread. I believe that my recommendations have made sense even if posted in a slightly irreverent manner. As Dargo pointed out I/we have a vested interest in Kioti’s continuing viability. I’m a very happy Kioti owner and don’t mind saying so.

Regards, Jamie

 

[rtimgray]

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Thank goodness I got here in time - I was afraid this thread would already be closed! Can we just skip to the end and get to the pointless name calling (something I excel at!).

The only problem I've got with ranking tractors in tiers is that in reality it is going to be a regional thing. For a while in this area, the big three were represented as well as some other brands...then the Kubota dealership closed and the New Holland dealership closed..the JD dealer keeps about three tractors on the lot and announced earllier this year that they are cutting services at that branch (lawn and garden and parts and service and you can order a new JD tractor, but they won't have them on the lot to drive)....but thank goodness there was Little Tractor and his Kioti dealership, standing like a beacon in the night (of course, now he's also a New Holland dealer). To be fair there are some other dealers for Kubota and New Holland in the area (within about an hours drive) so it's not like you'd be left high and dry anyway, but still, it does get back to having a dealer that is good.

In the last few years, I've been to some farm shows and looked at practically every tractor make offered and they all appear to be very good machines - of course, I did not field test everyone, so I couldn't swear to it - but they all look to be on a similar level of quality, fit and finish, and workmanship, in my opinion.

There have been some chicken littles around here worried that they will end up with "orphan" tractors, and the only thing that I can think of is to ask "Have you heard of the internet?" Finding a tractor that has been made in the last 20 years that you honest to goodness could not find parts or support for, in some shape,form or fashion in some country on this planet would be practically impossible. Of course, some parts are easier than others to find for certain tractors. I harken my example of my grey market Yanmars vs. by 2010 JD...JD is the yardstick by which all other companies are measured by as far as parts support goes, yet when it came to finding parts for my 1964 2010 - one piece of advice - don't go to a JD dealership. Some things could be bought there, but most could not - of course what level of support could be expected for a 40 year old tractor (this is something for those of you who think you are buying a tractor/support network for life). Now to qualify again, I eventually found every part I needed, but it was aftermarket, remanufactured or junkyard salvage - not from JD OEM - they didn't even still have some of the filters for the tractor). My 30 year old Yanmars, however, I have had no trouble getting not only wear parts but internal parts, most of the time having the choice between an OEM part or a salvage part - this for a 30 year old tractor that was never intended for re-sale in this country! Bottom line to this long story - it doesn't matter if it's green, blue, orange, red, etc.... if you look, you will find support - and that's what a lot of the concern is about.

The other main concern - money! In my case, the Kioti was much less expensive than Kubota, JD was not in the ballpark, and there wasn't a New Holland dealer in the immediate area at the time. Obviously, depending on your locale and dealer situation, your mileage will vary.

I do enjoy naysayers livening up the Kioti board - we are a fierce bunch - like somebody else said - "Pure Animal". Heck, I think I'd rather argue than type something constructive anyway.

One last note, as an owner of both a Belarus and Kioti - I will say this; I will likely own another Kioti - I probably won't own another Belarus....unless I get a real good deal!

 

[viking65]

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Bob, thanks for pointing out Mahindra. That one slipped between the cracks. That means Kioti slips to 6th tier.....

I'm just having a little fun in the Kioti forum. They're great tractors regardless of what so called tier they're in or where they rank in sales. Kioti just needs to get their dealer network cleaned up and be careful to whom they sell dealerships too going forward.

 

[RedDog]

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Are you sure you weren't drinking when you posted that? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I still have issues with Mahindra being the so called number 4. All that I have seen have been at a dealership, except for one. And I know that guy. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Feature for feature, price for price, I'll match mine against any! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In fact, I'm ready to go "tractor pulling" with mine!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


RedDog

 

[shvl73]

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Hey! Let's keep Mahindra out of it! This is a Kioti thread.
Some of us Mahindra owners can be a little sensitive! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[VictorW]

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WOW, What a battle of tractors.
As someone said, I remember when nobody would buy a Kubota. Now look what has happened in 20 some years.
My Kioti choice was made after looking at the other major three and talking with people that had owned all the brands.
As far as resale, I think my CK30hst will last longer than me, so it's a mute point. I usually keep things until there is nothing left to repair. My '48 8n is still going! Daedong engines have been around a long time and have proven themselves. HST was my wifes choice. She uses the tractor and doesn't want to shift. Who am I to argue if she wants to do some of the tractor work. Being that there seems to be a market in the states for a larger tractor with HST, I think Kioti will see this and start designing if they haven't already.
The cost being a little cheaper was nice and I didn't see anything cheaper in the tractor. I only have 26 hours so far, but it has done what I expected of the tractor.
I've run a lot of different pieces of equipment as most of you have. If you want or need a bulldozer or an excavator; get one. These tractor are multi use tractors to fit many needs.
In short, what brand you buy is your own business. Hopefully, you decide by your needs and finances. Are there a few little things I would change on the CK30? Sure, but someone else might not agree. I'm just glad we have a choice and Kioti is adding to the competition which is good for all of us.

 

[gippolit]

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Bob I was quoted 22,500 on an mx5000 in New Jersey. HOw is that right there? Lets not forget a bout all the features?? Where do you get your facts from? Show me a quote for that price?

 

[TractorLegend]

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Wow, someone is going to take a bullet for me. I'm all giddy!

Maybe a bullet in the foot, but no higher !!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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Glen, a Kubota dealer stated the Kubota pricing right in the range in this very thread. Please refer to that post regarding the pricing, it was posted by Neil Messick.

 

[Dargo]

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Since the opposite happened to me, I certainly will not question your negotiation skills. I could not get a Kioti priced in range of a Kubota, and was the same as a JD. However, in a different thread, I saw where a guy said that he saved 8K on the same Kioti by driving halfway across the country to get his Kioti. I simply didn't try that hard. I'm more of a local guy since I'm very busy and I expect my tractor dealer to come and pick up my tractor if it needs service, and to then return it when repaired.

My point? Neither Kubota nor Kioti nor JD are immune from having a local dealer go for the huge gross. Personally, since I got much more tractor with more equipment, and a hydro that was not available in my hp range in a Kioti, when I bought the lower priced Kubota. Since having local quality dealer representation is important to me, I did not try to shop Kioti across the country and did not discover that my local Kioti dealer was simply trying to rip my head off.

For whatever reason, you seem to have a real issue with the fact that Kioti is a fine tractor, but is not one of the more popular tractors in this country. I've stated before, and I'll state it again, I think it is due to Kioti being reticent to cull poor dealers and to grant franchises to more quality dealers. your obsession with trying to discount the quality of any tractor other than Kioti isn't helping the outlook of Kioti tractors among the readers. Perhaps you should learn a bit from KiotiJohn and try to spread the word of where Kioti tractors shine and are a good value, and not create and adversarial position between your being a Kioti fanatic and your apparent distaste for all other tractor owners.

A bit of diplomatic intelligence would be in order for you to be taken for more than a Kioti owner who has a chip on their shoulder for all other brands.