Loader Kioti & Polebarnzilla

[MotorSeven]

After the beams are done I will start on the 20 16' rafters......

 

[Dmace]

What a great project, those saw mills sure are nice! :thumbsup:

 

[milkman636]

What's the plan for fastening those beams to the poles?

 

[MotorSeven]

I haven't decided yet Milk. I may notch the side of the pole, but it weakens it. So, I am now thinking of some 5x5 or 5x6 angle iron lag bolted to the pole forming a shelf to sit the beam on, then use log home screws to attach the beam to the pole. I could make a lot of "brackets" out of one section of angle so it would be cheap. Even cheaper if my local steel place has some as scrap in their dumpster....I love dumpster diving

RD

 

[milkman636]

With the long spans and beefy structural members there will be alot of vertical load on those attachment points. That is probably going to be a critical decision. I wish I could offer you some advice, but I'd only be guessing at what might work.

I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with though. It's great to see a guy who's not afraid of thinking big.

 

[MotorSeven]

Not as critical as you think. The drop shed beams only have to support a tin roof, so there is a negligible amount of weight on it. I went with larger beams due to the horizontal twisting load that the wind will give it when it is all done. I probably could have used a 3x10, but I have the trees, so bigger they will be.
I am thinking a partial notch and a bracket. I went to a timber frame class a few years ago, so I have a little bit of knowlege(dangerous right?). The TF purist will cringe at my mecahnical attachments, but purist I ain't!

 

[blueriver]

BR, how many blades did he mess up? I havent put a used pole on the mill...too much metal in them & the thought of cresote dust all over me is not my idea of fun:laughing:.

I know nothing more than he told me ... he said he had an easy time and the biggest issue is gumming on the blade. I asked about the nails and such and he said clean them the best you can. I was happy and he told me if you get more just bring them to me.

Do you do any custom cutting? He charges by the hour ... $45 per hour if you bring the logs and I don't recall how much a BF if its his logs.

 

[blueriver]

I haven't decided yet Milk. I may notch the side of the pole, but it weakens it. So, I am now thinking of some 5x5 or 5x6 angle iron lag bolted to the pole forming a shelf to sit the beam on, then use log home screws to attach the beam to the pole. I could make a lot of "brackets" out of one section of angle so it would be cheap. Even cheaper if my local steel place has some as scrap in their dumpster....I love dumpster diving

RD

Maybe both a notch and some other form of support ? If the beam is 5" you could notch 3" and put a 2" wood support below the beam ... or use the metal bracket with the notch ... just thinking.

 

[milkman636]

...................... I went to a timber frame class a few years ago, so I have a little bit of knowlege(dangerous right?). The TF purist will cringe at my mecahnical attachments, but purist I ain't!

I was guessing by the framing of your mill shed that you weren't brand new to this. I'll be following along and interested in seeing it all come together.

 

[MotorSeven]

I have all the wood cut:

4- 2.5x10x20 beams(yes, I decided to go smaller)
4- 3x7x20 beams
22- 2x7x17 rafters
A huge pile of purlins & siding
A bunch of knee braces

I have a platform for my forks & my neighbor is lending us his 70 horse Deere, so I will build another fork platform for it. This beats the heck out of schlepping scaffolding around, we can lift beams up safely, and a bonus is that it gets the saftey police all riled up

Best yet is a bud is visiting from FL & doesn't want ot "sit around"....whooohoo!

Pic's to follow.....

 

[milkman636]

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Pic's to follow.....

Be sure to include a nice shot of those fork platforms:thumbsup:

 

[MotorSeven]

Ok, with the help of my neighbors big Deere we got the 4 main beams up. I decided to notch the poles & use 8" log home screws to secure them. We put safty rails around 3 sides of the fork platforms which aslo used to set the beams onto when raising them. Other than having to take a blade width off a notch or two it all went perfect.
I then put the post hole digger on and dug the 5 smaller pole holes, then used the forks to set the 17' poles in the holes. Tomorrow we will raise the beams on the smaller poles and start on the rafters.

The bottom of the main beams are at 15'...seems a heck of a lot taller when your up there:laughing:

cutting notches:

Raising beams:

 

[MotorSeven]

Screwing them in:

They actually are straight:

 

[MotorSeven]

Setting the small poles: You pick them up so they are tipping to the big end, set the end on the post hole, raise the

forks while cutting the wheel towards the hole...they will stand up and drop right it...

Action shot cutting a notch(yes with a TOP HANDLED SAW)

 

[milkman636]

Looks like you had a good day. Nice pics.

An unrelated question: how did you anchor the bottom of the front posts for your tractor canopy? One of my concerns about mounting a canopy is catching a branch under it and damaging it. Front posts might help that.

Funny how we can be looking at something unrelated and notice a possible solution to an old random question lurking way in the background.

 

[MotorSeven]

I welded a "L" bracket on the loader brace and a smaller square tube on it. The larger front roof brace tube fits over it with a Grade 8 thru bolt. Rattling was an issue, so I had to drill a hole on the 90 degree side of the bolt and welded on a nut and set screw(bolt).

Here is the thread
& I'll up date it with a pic of the set screw:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/172572-roll-cage-new-steel-roof.html

 

[milkman636]

It looks like you had the exact problem that I was afraid of. Thanks for the link to your pics and informative thread.

 

[Johndeere3720]

Wow, look at that barn grow! :thumbsup: Really cool to see green and orange tractors working together to get the job done! :thumbsup: Keep up the good work!

 

[milkman636]

Back to the Polebarnzilla, I think you made a good choice in notching the posts. My local building code required 18" vertical blocking under the 2x12 headers that are screwed to the posts in my little barn. The blocking mimicks the vertical support that your simple notch provides.

 

[MotorSeven]

Rafter Time...preparing to lift:

We backed the tractors as we hung the wood. We taught my Bud's 13 year old boy how to drive my Kioti so we cold keep 2 of us up on the fork platforms...he did a great job!

For now we just toe screwed them in. I will come back later and put on hurricane straps.