Price Check Kioti rx 6010 or Kubota mx5100

[GManBart]

First, I have no idea what a NX5510hst open station cost in comparison to a MX. Unless kioti has something on their website I am overlooking.

Quotes people have posted here for that configuration have been right around $31K lately.

 

[GManBart]

Around me, I can get a new Kioti NX5510 HST open station with loader for around $25k and around $30k with cab.

Also... Cleck the specs... The Kioti loader for that model is 10-15% stronger than the loader on the MX.

I don't see how that's possible. When I got quotes for an NX4510, 5010 and 5510 Cab HST, they were higher than that two years ago. An NX4510 Cab HST started at a few dollars under $30K. and each step up was $1500-2000 or so.

While the Kioti has a higher listed max lift weight, it's to 2" lower than the Kubota loader, so the actual difference to the same height is less. If manufacturers would start measuring at a standard height it would really help comparisons like this.

 

[TSO]

Maybe my local dealer still has the best prices around. I can get a 6010 HST with cab and two sets of remotes, with loader, for around $33k.

He also seems to have the best pricing on Massey units as well.

 

[LD1]

Also... Cleck the specs... The Kioti loader for that model is 10-15% stronger than the loader on the MX.

Gmanbart touched on it, so I'll elaborate.

We all get hung up on comparing loader specs at the published "lift to max height at the pins".

Well, thats only one part of the measurement. Have to look at the loader as a whole.

The breakout force (or lift at ground level), at the pins is 3727# for the Kioti, and 4178# for the kubota. Which is 450# MORE
At ground level.....at the bucket cutting edge (500mm forward), the kioti is 2990#, the kubota is 3261#.


To a lift height of 59", the kubota is 3060# at the pins and 2478# @ 500mm forward. kioti doesnt list this spec. And as mentioned, the kubota lifts about 2.5" higher.

Kioti also dont list rollback force so cannot compare there. But as you see, there is way more that goes into what constitutes a "stronger" loader than simply lift to max height.

From this, we can infer that the kubota loader is a solid 10% stronger at ground level. The kioti is 10% stronger at its slightly lower max height. So it would be fair to assume that somewhere in the middle they are equal. Perhaps 50-60" range.

I personally spend most of my time doing loader work below 50-60". Got a pallet of pavers you want to unload off your trailer deck.....kubota will lift more. Trying to dig out a stump or root at ground level, kubota wins again. Wanna stack round bales 2 high, or pallets 3 high....kioti will have the upper hand at those heights

 

[TSO]

Gmanbart touched on it, so I'll elaborate.

We all get hung up on comparing loader specs at the published "lift to max height at the pins".

Well, thats only one part of the measurement. Have to look at the loader as a whole.

The breakout force (or lift at ground level), at the pins is 3727# for the Kioti, and 4178# for the kubota. Which is 450# MORE
At ground level.....at the bucket cutting edge (500mm forward), the kioti is 2990#, the kubota is 3261#.


To a lift height of 59", the kubota is 3060# at the pins and 2478# @ 500mm forward. kioti doesnt list this spec. And as mentioned, the kubota lifts about 2.5" higher.

Kioti also dont list rollback force so cannot compare there. But as you see, there is way more that goes into what constitutes a "stronger" loader than simply lift to max height.

From this, we can infer that the kubota loader is a solid 10% stronger at ground level. The kioti is 10% stronger at its slightly lower max height. So it would be fair to assume that somewhere in the middle they are equal. Perhaps 50-60" range.

I personally spend most of my time doing loader work below 50-60". Got a pallet of pavers you want to unload off your trailer deck.....kubota will lift more. Trying to dig out a stump or root at ground level, kubota wins again. Wanna stack round bales 2 high, or pallets 3 high....kioti will have the upper hand at those heights

Your supposition isn't necessarily correct in real world applications. My Massey loader is rated at less breakout than the equivalent Kubota loader, slightly higher max lift specs, (between my MF-1652 and buddies K-L5240), yet mine will lift more off the ground on pallet forks. (Both set to factory relief psi specs).

G-man is right that there should be a universal testing requirement for these machines.

Anyways......................

 

[LD1]

Your supposition isn't necessarily correct in real world applications. My Massey loader is rated at less breakout than the equivalent Kubota loader, slightly higher max lift specs, (between my MF-1652 and buddies K-L5240), yet mine will lift more off the ground on pallet forks. (Both set to factory relief psi specs).

G-man is right that there should be a universal testing requirement for these machines.

Anyways......................

Gotta keep in mind too, that every tractor is different. How tight are the cylinders? How tight and well greased are the pins? How far forward of the pins is the SSQA plate? What is the actual pressure? How much do different bucket/forks weigh from different MFG's, etc etc.

I agree, some real world testing, something like the Nebraska tests, would be nice. But would still be inconclusive, as every tractor is different. And MFG's arent gonna go to the trouble to test / verify every single piece of information they put out there, for every single tractor that rolls off their line.

The point being, that at rated pressure, and at the pins......the math is exact. The kubota is spec'd to lift more down low, less up high. Reality can be different for the above reasons. I suspect one or more of those reasons are the difference between you and your buddies machine.

But to the topic at hand.....NX5510 loader vs MX.......as I said in post #19, I'd call it a wash. They are too similar overall. Take 5 kioti's and 5 mx's and test them all and you will get 10 different results. The kioti loader is NOT what I would call "stronger" as you did.

 

[TSO]

Gotta keep in mind too, that every tractor is different. How tight are the cylinders? How tight and well greased are the pins? How far forward of the pins is the SSQA plate? What is the actual pressure? How much do different bucket/forks weigh from different MFG's, etc etc.

I agree, some real world testing, something like the Nebraska tests, would be nice. But would still be inconclusive, as every tractor is different. And MFG's arent gonna go to the trouble to test / verify every single piece of information they put out there, for every single tractor that rolls off their line.

The point being, that at rated pressure, and at the pins......the math is exact. The kubota is spec'd to lift more down low, less up high. Reality can be different for the above reasons. I suspect one or more of those reasons are the difference between you and your buddies machine.

But to the topic at hand.....NX5510 loader vs MX.......as I said in post #19, I'd call it a wash. They are too similar overall. Take 5 kioti's and 5 mx's and test them all and you will get 10 different results. The kioti loader is NOT what I would call "stronger" as you did.

OK... So again, back to original point, in this scenario, the comparable MX offers similar or lower lift capacities (front and rear) than the competing Kioti tractor... etc etc etc

 

[gladehound]

A bit of hair splitting here, but Kioti seems to allow for a lot of added weight on the SSQA and will still meet spec. I've heard some ratings on some tractors are without a bucket.

 

[LD1]

A bit of hair splitting here, but Kioti seems to allow for a lot of added weight on the SSQA and will still meet spec. I've heard some ratings on some tractors are without a bucket.

I have not heard that, but perhaps???

In either case, they are very similar loaders, probably even use the same bore x stroke cylinders. My MX will lift just about whatever I want it to. And if it wont, I'll get the backhoe that can lift ~9k

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

People say this, and it's simply wishful thinking. I bought a new LS R4047H for $21,250, put over 200 hours on it, and sold it for $19,500. A Kubota, or Deere, wouldn't have held any more of the initial purchase price, but would have cost $10K more to start out with.

Further, the biggest drop in value comes when the machine rolls off the lot when new, so the Kubota is going to lose more. The Kioti has already had that happen.

Lastly, the Kioti is a heck of a lot more machine, for $10K less. For all of Kubota's "Special Utility" description, the MX series is nowhere near the machine some of the members here seem to think they are. They're simply CUTs on the large size, but not the largest, not the most powerful, don't have the best loaders, have terrible ergonomics on the loader controls....and they cost more than more refined machines, with greater capability from other manufacturers.

The RX Kioti is a true Utility machine and it's got a cab to top things off....much nicer all around. 500 hours is really nothing on a machine like this...barely past the break in period.

I can agree a lot with your points, I was always told to stick with JD or Case because they hold there value better than other machines, I also found that's not really the case in the compact tractors I was looking at.

Take my tractor for example, it was around $40k new and 10 years later with 830h was worth just over half the original price, I see that a lot with tractors and unless you get a known lemon they all hold there value about the same, just some start out with a higher price tag.

I will say a cabbed model is the Bees Knees lol, BUT around trees . . . Meh, just be ready to keep them trimmed, new glass for a cab is crazy expensive.

If I was gonna be in the woods a lot, I would rather have a non cabbed tractor, but in more open ground a cabbed can't be beat, mine has the air ride seat which I love. I was just today working a gravel drive with a rear blade in 38 degree rainy weather in total comfort with a radio lol.

Outside of that I can't suggest which tractor to buy (not familiar with either) I know I was about to sign on a brand new 1533 (non cab) Mahindra but fell for the used cabbed JD 4320 enough to take it home and didn't regret it.