Price Check Kioti rx 6010 or Kubota mx5100

[Christian500]

Hi
I have the choice between a kioti rx 6010 with 4and 1 bucket and cab
2 years old excellent condition 500 hrs
30,000

Or Kubota mx 5100 4 and 1 bucket
And slasher
New 40,000

Go......

First tractor and will be used for a variety of uses on a semi cleared block

 

[DieselBound]

Buy BOTH and then sell the one you like least :laughing:

You really need to think a bit harder about what uses you believe that you will be needing one for. Keep in mind that you're going to find that you'll need attachments, usually several, and that these are going to run up to a fair amount. I once though a 4in1 sounded like the way to go for me, but after reading up a bit I decided that there were better alternatives (for me).

Tell the good folks here what you need to do and then sift through the responses.

Where is "Harrietville vic?" What's the environment in which a tractor is going to be operating?

 

[Christian500]

So first time tractor buyer here slowly trying to get educated and using the forums and local advice.

I have 12 acre of old chestnut orchard steepish in parts
I will be mainly utilising the tractor with flail mower to clear and maintain property and general farm work.

I have been looking at kubota l4600 and then a mx5100
I have now just been offered a Rx 6010 cab with AL60 4 and one by the local dealer whose trading it
It has 500 hrs and is two years old looks in very good shape, owner is upgrading to larger tractor as he has increased his land holdings.

What should I be paying for this and what are your thoughts on the tractor and fit for purpose

Thank you very much for your excellent reply.
I should qualify a few aspects,
The block has been let go for over 25 years now and though I have had a bobcat with mulched go through there is still a fair bit of clearing and log dragging and chopping to do,
The chestnut trees are scattered hapazardly
There is no house or any infrastructure so all this will need to be worked with the tractor.
Initially I hope to use it to perform all these duties other than side cut for house and trenches unless I can pick up a cheap back hoe attachment.
Being a rural town i thought I may also get some side jobs for extra cash.

If in a couple of years all the work is done I could then sell it if required and downsize tractor and possibly buy a zero turn mower

 

[Christian500]

Harrietville is located in the sub alpine high country in Victoria Australia
I was aiming for
Flail mower/mulcher
Pallet forks
Post hole digger

If there was a opportunity for a backhoe it would be awesome as we wil be trenching a fair bit of infrastructure mainly poly lines but also stormwater etc.
I was thinking of getting a machine in to do this though..

 

[Christian500]

So any thoughts on pricing?

 

[paulfun9]

I don't know what fair price is in your area but given the choice as stated I would go with the Kioti 500 hours isn't much and the 10 Grand extra doesn't get you a better overall tractor. I myself am not big on the 4-in-1 bucket but do know a few people who are very happy with them. For me most jobs are better done with tools made for the specific task at hand. having extra remotes up front from the start can also be considered a cost savings as that will have to be paid extra for if you go new.

 

[RNeumann]

Finding a good used machine near you is like finding hens teeth! If used meets your needs and, as you state, is in good shape I see no reason to buy new. I don't know if you are factoring sales tax. The new one would have an additional $2800 (that's a guess of 7%) and the used won't if it's a private party (this is an assumption based on the "norm" in USA). Snap it up!

Both are solid machines with a good brand name and support behind them.

 

[motownbrowne]

The Kioti sounds pretty good. 25% cheaper, more HP, and a cab...

 

[MF283]

The Bota will bring more money down the road should you decide to sell.

Ronnie

 

[LD1]

Not really an apples to apples comparison.

The kioti is just an all around bigger machine. Few thousand pounds heavier....bigger tires, stronger loader and 3PH lift, etc etc. Compares alot closer to a kubota M6060 than the MX.

So you really have to decide......do you really want the bigger machine? Can you make use of it? Or is it just gonna get in its own way?

If you really want the bigger machine, but were only looking at the smaller ones due to budget.....then it may be a nice find. But I would look around and see what else is used out there.

IF a MX is really all you need, 40k new sounds high. I just bought a used MX5100 HST, loader, 4wd, ~350 hrs. Cost me 20k.

 

[paulfun9]

The Bota will bring more money down the road should you decide to sell.

Ronnie

I am not seeing this around here at all.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Don't know the Kioti, but the MX is one tough tractor. You won't be disappointed.

 

[GManBart]

The Bota will bring more money down the road should you decide to sell.

Ronnie

People say this, and it's simply wishful thinking. I bought a new LS R4047H for $21,250, put over 200 hours on it, and sold it for $19,500. A Kubota, or Deere, wouldn't have held any more of the initial purchase price, but would have cost $10K more to start out with.

Further, the biggest drop in value comes when the machine rolls off the lot when new, so the Kubota is going to lose more. The Kioti has already had that happen.

Lastly, the Kioti is a heck of a lot more machine, for $10K less. For all of Kubota's "Special Utility" description, the MX series is nowhere near the machine some of the members here seem to think they are. They're simply CUTs on the large size, but not the largest, not the most powerful, don't have the best loaders, have terrible ergonomics on the loader controls....and they cost more than more refined machines, with greater capability from other manufacturers.

The RX Kioti is a true Utility machine and it's got a cab to top things off....much nicer all around. 500 hours is really nothing on a machine like this...barely past the break in period.

 

[TSO]

All things considered... assuming the used Kioti is in good condition...

If you're not looking for HST (hydrostatic) as a transmission choice, then there is no good reason to spend $10k for less tractor and no cab.

If you DO want a hydrostatic trans... then I would suggest that you shop around at other brands, as you can get a whole lot more "bang for your buck," for less money, than that MX. It's a nice enough tractor, but it's overpriced compared to other options in the market.

Good luck

 

[DieselBound]

TSO, that's exactly the route that I took. It was hard for me to deviate from Kubota (my B7800 has been an amazing machine- I doubt that I'll ever find that I'm as impressed with anything like I've been with this tractor). The MX5100/MX5200 didn't have the right ergonomics for me (my shoulder has had it with the loader control out in front); had it not been for that I might be running one now (even sans cab). That caused me to consider the Kioti; I wasn't considering a cab until I figured that for a mere $3k more I could get one.

 

[LD1]

All things considered... assuming the used Kioti is in good condition...

If you're not looking for HST (hydrostatic) as a transmission choice, then there is no good reason to spend $10k for less tractor and no cab.

If you DO want a hydrostatic trans... then I would suggest that you shop around at other brands, as you can get a whole lot more "bang for your buck," for less money, than that MX. It's a nice enough tractor, but it's overpriced compared to other options in the market.

Good luck

I would not say the MX as a machine is overpriced. Though I don't know what a new one costs.

In this particular comparison, a new MX vs a 500hr kioti
......you are always gonna get more machine for your money buying used. So THAT particular MX is overpriced. But look around. A 500 hr MX should be $10k toe other side of that kioti. (20k). Which makes the kioti $10k more, for about $10k worth of cab/more machine. Which would be a better apples to apples comparison

 

[murphy1244]

I would not say the MX as a machine is overpriced. Though I don't know what a new one costs.

In this particular comparison, a new MX vs a 500hr kioti
......you are always gonna get more machine for your money buying used. So THAT particular MX is overpriced. But look around. A 500 hr MX should be $10k toe other side of that kioti. (20k). Which makes the kioti $10k more, for about $10k worth of cab/more machine. Which would be a better apples to apples comparison

What happened to the Kubota resale value?

 

[TSO]

I would not say the MX as a machine is overpriced. Though I don't know what a new one costs.

In this particular comparison, a new MX vs a 500hr kioti
......you are always gonna get more machine for your money buying used. So THAT particular MX is overpriced. But look around. A 500 hr MX should be $10k toe other side of that kioti. (20k). Which makes the kioti $10k more, for about $10k worth of cab/more machine. Which would be a better apples to apples comparison

If you compare the size (same as competing "large frame CUT's"), capacities (in line with, and in many cases below, other large frame CUT's), features (in line with or below other large frame CUT's), etc etc.......... Then the MX offerings are overpriced in their segment.

It's a nice machine, I'm not knocking it.

But, for the sake of pricing (since the OP mentioned price), assuming he has dealer options near him, he can get a comparable, competitive machine for much less money.

The OP could get a brand new Kioti NX5510 open station, which offers stronger front and rear lift than the MX, better equipped than the MX, for probably $5k-10k less.... And still have the "new" tractor warranty.

Just for argument's sake.....

 

[LD1]

What happened to the Kubota resale value?

I am not one to even bring up resale. 20 years ago, when JD and kubota were the large CUT and SCUT players, maybe. But anymore, kioti, mahindra, LS, etc are all top notch brands. And with the internet, and research being right at ones fingertips, quickly weeds out bad brands/models.

If you compare the size (same as competing "large frame CUT's"), capacities (in line with, and in many cases below, other large frame CUT's), features (in line with or below other large frame CUT's), etc etc.......... Then the MX offerings are overpriced in their segment.

It's a nice machine, I'm not knocking it.

But, for the sake of pricing (since the OP mentioned price), assuming he has dealer options near him, he can get a comparable, competitive machine for much less money.

The OP could get a brand new Kioti NX5510 open station, which offers stronger front and rear lift than the MX, better equipped than the MX, for probably $5k-10k less.... And still have the "new" tractor warranty.

Just for argument's sake.....

Perhaps.

But I think there is alot of misconception in this thread.

First, I have no idea what a NX5510hst open station cost in comparison to a MX. Unless kioti has something on their website I am overlooking.

Second, you are assuming that the 40k for the new mx5100 that the op told you was accurate. Well, fact-checking.....I think that is either total BS, or we are missing something. Like was that price quoted with a bunch of attachments or a backhoe? The MX5100 for starters, is not a new model. But the replacement, the MX5200, HST, equipped with a loader and HD roundback bucket, only lists a MSRP of $34k and change on build-my-kubota. So its probably a $30k tractor.

What can one buy a NX5510 HST open station with loader for? Tractorhouse would seem to indicate they are $36-37k with a cab? Take the cab off you think they are still gonna be 5-10k less than an MX? That would have to put them in the $20-$25k range, and Im just not seeing it.

As to comparisons....yea, the MX is not a luxury model. One of the reasons in fact that I like it. I like the features like telescoping links and stabilizers, but not fond of lots of electronics. But to each their own. The NX is about 400-500# more tractor and does have a stronger 3PH. But the MX 3PH can lift 2400#. 99.9% of NX owners would probably never exceed that. As to the loader, I'd call it a wash. The NX certainly dont have a "stronger" loader.

 

[TSO]

I am not one to even bring up resale. 20 years ago, when JD and kubota were the large CUT and SCUT players, maybe. But anymore, kioti, mahindra, LS, etc are all top notch brands. And with the internet, and research being right at ones fingertips, quickly weeds out bad brands/models.



Perhaps.

But I think there is alot of misconception in this thread.

First, I have no idea what a NX5510hst open station cost in comparison to a MX. Unless kioti has something on their website I am overlooking.

Second, you are assuming that the 40k for the new mx5100 that the op told you was accurate. Well, fact-checking.....I think that is either total BS, or we are missing something. Like was that price quoted with a bunch of attachments or a backhoe? The MX5100 for starters, is not a new model. But the replacement, the MX5200, HST, equipped with a loader and HD roundback bucket, only lists a MSRP of $34k and change on build-my-kubota. So its probably a $30k tractor.

What can one buy a NX5510 HST open station with loader for? Tractorhouse would seem to indicate they are $36-37k with a cab? Take the cab off you think they are still gonna be 5-10k less than an MX? That would have to put them in the $20-$25k range, and Im just not seeing it.

As to comparisons....yea, the MX is not a luxury model. One of the reasons in fact that I like it. I like the features like telescoping links and stabilizers, but not fond of lots of electronics. But to each their own. The NX is about 400-500# more tractor and does have a stronger 3PH. But the MX 3PH can lift 2400#. 99.9% of NX owners would probably never exceed that. As to the loader, I'd call it a wash. The NX certainly dont have a "stronger" loader.

Right... Agreed on assumptions... I'm not going necessarily by his started $40k price. That could be Canadian dollars.

Around me, I can get a new Kioti NX5510 HST open station with loader for around $25k and around $30k with cab. Kioti also has a new model, DK5510, that competes directly with the MX line (more of a bare bones model, like the MX is to the Grand L) and I believe my dealer sells that for around $22.5k in open station HST

Around me, the MX5200 (or equivalent new model designator) HST open station with loader, goes for around $28k-$33k depending on dealer.

Also... Cleck the specs... The Kioti loader for that model is 10-15% stronger than the loader on the MX.