First to make this tractor related I will let you all know that I used a mini exc. to pack the dumpster /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Now I have been working night's and weekend's for the past two month's at my parent's 120 or so year old house that they had bought. They knew about 2 week's in that the existing kitchen was beyond the basic cosmetic fixes that the rest of the house got. The floor sagged alot and the ceiling height was about 6'5" and had a drop ceiling like you see in office building's plus they did not like the cabinet's so they went to the homer in DE. (no sales tax) and ordered some really nice cabinet's which they got a good deal (sales folk have a lot of give on prices). Well the cabinet's came in last week so my work begin's again. here is a before pic