KL130 loader fix released.

[DrewL]

I hear this repair weighs 60 lbs so now my lifting capacity is reduced by that amount. I'm not to happy about that.

 

[crabjoe]

I hear this repair weighs 60 lbs so now my lifting capacity is reduced by that amount. I'm not to happy about that.

I doubt it would reduce it from the rated capacity since Kioti seems to underrate. Also, because the repair sits before the pivot pins, it will not reduce it by the complete 60 lbs.

 

[TBDonnelly]

Also, because the repair sits before the pivot pins, it will not reduce it by the complete 60 lbs.

The pivot pin location as well as the patch kit that mounts on the existing torque cross-member are both below the lift cylinder mounts. In my mind, the lift cylinders are lifting an additional 60 lbs. of weight,
which would be deducted from the lift capacity.

Don

 

[crabjoe]

The pivot pin location as well as the patch kit that mounts on the existing torque cross-member are both below the lift cylinder mounts. In my mind, the lift cylinders are lifting an additional 60 lbs. of weight,
which would be deducted from the lift capacity.

Don

The 60 lbs maybe in front of the lift cylinders but you have to remember we're talking leverage here.

If the 60lbs were added at the pivot pins of the bucket, yes, it would reduce the lift capacity by 60lbs, but because the kit is fitted before the bucket pivot pins, the total reduction will be less then 60lbs.

Adding any weight to the FEL, unless it was added as counter weight, would reduce the FEL capacity, but that doesn't mean it won't meet the manufacture's spec.

Lest just say you are adding 60lbs at the bucket pivot and the manufacturer capacity is rated at 1200lbs. But if the true lift capacity is 1300lbs, then you're still within the manufactures published spec because you're still over 1200lbs.

Regardless, you'll lose some, but you're not going to lose 60lbs of capacity because the kit goes on before the bucket.

 

[TractorLegend]

What exactly is the "fix" that they came up with?? Bolt on?? Weld on??


Was about considering just welding on my own lengths of heavy angle iron on the back and front of the square tube in question to prevent any cracks and increase rigidity...

 

[NY_kioti_sales]

As I stated before, dealers should not be shipping these out to you guys, they need to be checked for proper fit by the dealers. Besides they can't send you both kits and see which one fits..... that would be costing them a kit, they will only get credit for one of the 2 kits.

Also to whoever said something about welding.....DONT, bad idea. This is a bolt on kit.

 

[IslandTractor]

As I stated before, dealers should not be shipping these out to you guys, they need to be checked for proper fit by the dealers. Besides they can't send you both kits and see which one fits..... .

It is surprising that after two years Kioti hasn't been able to figure out how to associate loader serial numbers with which kit is required. I understand there were occasional changes in manufacturing practice/dimensions in different lots of these loaders but why can't Kioti just put a table together showing which serial number needs which style of repair kit? There are people who will have to incur significant expense and hassle in order to get their tractors to the dealer just to have the kit bolted on. That could be avoided if dealers could accurately predict which kit was needed.

 

[NY_kioti_sales]

Island...
I agree with you 100%, but I have been told this is not possible. They do not know the serial numbers when changes in the cross tube were made.

Believe me, it would be alot easier for me to order update kits too if I knew which ones I needed.

 

[Cyberroc]

All it would take is one letter to the owners, some data input, and reporting.

Send a letter to all owners with a picture of the differnces in bar. Have owner reply mail, email, enter on website, or tell their dealer their serial number and loader bar type. The best part is, you don't have to be 100%, even if you received 50% positive returns you should have enough data to be able to state that anything higher than this serial number needs this type of fix and any below this serial number needs this. You may have a range of unknown, however it would be much better than now knowing at all, plus now you have all of this data if ever needed next time around.

Before long you would have real close numbers if not the exact.

I did the same thing at my job with our users when I first stated. I needed to find out change data from our users on a case design change and the only way was by serial number. One email and hundreds of returns later, had a sec. enter the data into a DB with in 24 hours I had 90% accuracy or how many were the older design and how many were newer.

Although with the price of stamps these days...

 

[crabjoe]

Island...
I agree with you 100%, but I have been told this is not possible. They do not know the serial numbers when changes in the cross tube were made.

Believe me, it would be alot easier for me to order update kits too if I knew which ones I needed.

Serial numbers probably don't work because they had one left and one right handed guy welding when the runs were done.

Then again, if it was robotic, it could be that they had 2 robots with slightly different calibrations, causing one to put the torque tube slightly lower then the other.

Then again, it could have been that they got 2 different diameters for the torque tube and instead of using one, until it ran out, they gave one diameter to one assembly line and another to the other assembly line.

Then again.... It could be I'm just wrong on every guess.

 

[laurencen]

couple things, firstly welding is not going to work as the tube does not go thro the arms, this and the fact twisting in the tube causes the cracks, there are lots that did not crack, anyone ever measured the thickness of the tube, maybe they used different thicknesses of tube and plate, the fix to me bolts over but it looks like there are then clamp screws that compress the torq tube and this is how they are getting it ridgid, I assume this tightness is what the dealer is required for, too loose and it seems no rigidity is added, I assume also if too tight it causes additional stress in the original tube, secondly anyone with the 120 fix check the tightness of the bolts when done and after many hours of use, I wonder if they come loose

Laurence

 

[IXLR8]

The 'repair kit' was installed on my CK30 when I first looked at it in December, the loader still seems to have a bunch of flexing between the arms. Next trip to Maine I am thinking I will have to check the clamping bolts and see if they are still tight. There are locking nuts on them... I wonder if they were tightened properly in the first place?? Is there anyway to get the install instructions to check bolt torques and such? I wonder if I will get a letter... even though I already have the kit installed??

 

[TractorLegend]

I already think this mystery fix they dont describe is a bandaid.
If changing the design of the arms to a tube was necessary in production I believe the rest of us are just getting some salve to shut us up and burden ourselves for the transportation costs.
The infamous letter doesn't even detail what they want to do...just blindly load your tractor up like sheep-le and do what they say....baaahhhhh.
Kioti should bone up and throw the rest of us the good arms.
Just my opinion after considering a 200 mile postage paid round trip to the nearest dealer- of which I have no confidence in already based on previous dealings.

 

[Gittyup]

I wonder if I will get a letter... even though I already have the kit installed??

I got two identical letters, the same day, even though I don't need the "repair kit". First feedback I've ever gotten that they even know who I am, despite several letters and emails.

I've got to believe that the cost of new loader arms is not that much more than the cost of the "repair kits", especially when one considers time to design and test at least 2 different kits. I'd really like to know how they reasoned that one out. Kioti has just handled this so very poorly.

Good luck to those needing/getting the kits. I sure hope it works .

 

[ERE]

I intend to just take the loader arms to the dealer. I'll remove the loader then with the help of my neighbor's loader, we will remove the bucket. the arms will fit into my pick-um-up easily. A little more work, but a lot less gas.

 

[Gittyup]

Good idea. Those arms will even fit in a mini-van.

 

[gravel13]

Exactly how many repair kits are there for the KL130? I'm guessing at least 2....I wonder if it is cheaper for the dealer to bring both kits out to my tractor than to load the tractor and bring it to the dealer? I'll have to give them a call to see how much they charge for a house call.

 

[Cyberroc]

give them a call to see how much they charge for a house call.

Mine would do it for free if I needed it, however if they are going to charge too much, you may ask to take them both and return the one you dont need.

That might be an option for those that are planning (or allowed) to install on their own at least.

 

[NY_kioti_sales]

It is my understanding that there are 2 kits.... and 4 different cross tubes on this unit.

 

[dfkrug]

Well, after emailing Kioti Customer Service, I received a response a month
later. Despite being eligible for THREE loader retrofit kits, they will not
send them to me. I must go to a dealer. I think if Kioti had a bit better
coverage (like JD or Kubota), they might have an argument. But this
response is weak at best. No way am I driving 100+ miles to a dealer I
never dealt with.