Kubota B3300SU Pricing

[Verdemont]

Oops. Looks like this needs to be put into the Kubota specific forum. Sorry moderators. I assume someone will move this thread.
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I live in Rural Colorado and have started the search for a new B3300SU. I bought a B7610 in 2004 but sold it in 2006 when we changed houses. Now want a bigger unit with a BH due to the new property and what i like to do.

After visiting both local dealers, kicking tires, driving the units around, etc.. I got price quotes from both dealers that can service my area.

I am looking to buy a B3300SU with the LA504 loader, 54" bucket, BH77 backhoe, 10" bucket, and that's about it for now. I will add a 5' blade later.

Got written prices from both and one is about 6.4% discount from the list price and one is at 8.72% discount. Both are good dealers and one of them is the dealer that I purchased my last tractor from. The other dealer is now closer to where our new property is and would likely use them for parts and service. I would have NO issues purchasing from either dealer and both salesmen are outstanding people.

Both dealers have the B3300SU in stock as well as the loader and BH77. One of them doesn't have a 54" bucket right now but can get one very quickly. So, no issues with availability of equipment, delivery, or any of that.

I do plan on taking advantage of the Kubota financing (5 year, 0% interest) offer. We used Kubota finance before and it was easy. 0% is wonderful.

Questions:

1. Due to the slow economy I was hoping to get at least a 10% discount off of list price. Was thinking more like 15% if possible. So far 8.72 is the best. However I have not yet gone back to either dealer and asked them to do better. Yet. I will, but am seeking guidance here. What have others gotten %-wise? Is 10% realistic? Is 15% realistic?

2. I have Googled the entire Internet and I cannot find any reference to dealer cost on the equipment like you can with cars and such. I am assuming the dealer cost is not available. If this is wrong can someone let me know via email or reply here?

3. The only way a good deal can happen is if both the seller and buyer are happy. That is a lot easier when you know how much the dealer is making. The ONLY single data point I have been able to obtain is the dealer cost on one item. One of the dealers said the dealer cost of the Thumb for the BH77 was $362. List price is $465. That data point shows a 22.15% profit margin for the dealer for this single part. I don't know if this data is correct or if this is true for other attachments (like the FEL or BH) or even if it's true for the tractor itself.

4. I would like to finalize my deal by this Saturday but could sure use some input from others here. Here is what I am trying to buy and the prices I got from the Kubota.com "Build Your Kubota" tool there:

B3300SUHSDP - Special Package Deal
Base Tractor MSRP including R4 Tires $15,422.00
Loader - LA504 $3,094.00
Loader Bucket - 54". Normal Duty $452.00
Loader Quick Coupler $279.00
Backhoe - BH77 $7,699.00
Backhoe Bucket - 10" $415.00

Total Configured Price of Model $27,361.00
CIR Tractor / Loader Discount $300.00 (Through June 30, 2011)
Total MSRP: $27,061.00


The two prices I have been quoted are 6.42% and 8.72% from the $27,061.00 price listed above. Free delivery. No other charges other than 2.9% tax.

Looking for input from recent purchasers on what kind of discount % you got from your Kubota dealer. I am ONLY dealing with Kubota and not interested in anything else.

Thanks in Advance. I don't post much but have been lurking here again for 3-4 months considering the B3300SU, B3200, and a B26TLB.

Tom

 

[TroyR57]

Price might be just a touch high, but with easy delivery, and finance, not to bad. Are you sure about the 10in bh bucket, thats small. A 16 inch with a thumb, is a nice size, I just got one on a BH 76, and like it a lot. Prices, are going up now due to price of steel, so Just a little more off, and I think you should jump. Local if you can do it is great. I have bought from Barlows on a used unit, and was very pleased. But if your looking to buy this weekend, that's out of the question. In your use of this tracktor, you might even look a little more at a B26 etc. The more information you give us about your use, the more we can help spend your Money.

 

[Ductape]

When I was shopping new Kubotas here in NH, 8% was about all I could get off of list price....... so I don't think you are doing that bad. Granted, some dealers are selling at a bit higher discount, but your prices are pretty average from I've seen in my area.

I'm not only going to second the larger backhoe bucket ........ but I'm going to suggest the 60" loader bucket. I'd consider a 10" backhoe bucket for trenching, not a good general purpose bucket. I can't imagine a 54" loader bucket is as wide as your tractor. Is there a reason you are specifically shooting for the smallest buckets?

 

[Verdemont]

When I was shopping new Kubotas here in NH, 8% was about all I could get off of list price....... so I don't think you are doing that bad. Granted, some dealers are selling at a bit higher discount, but your prices are pretty average from I've seen in my area.

I'm not only going to second the larger backhoe bucket ........ but I'm going to suggest the 60" loader bucket. I'd consider a 10" backhoe bucket for trenching, not a good general purpose bucket. I can't imagine a 54" loader bucket is as wide as your tractor. Is there a reason you are specifically shooting for the smallest buckets?

Ductape:

- BH bucket: The land where our 2nd home is (cabin and land) is very rocky. My thought about using a narrower 10" bucket would be that it would be easier in rocky terrain. I am willing to listen. I also do need to put in some irrigation lines. I rented a trencher last year and it was too rocky. So I ended up renting a Kubota Mini-Excavator with a 16" bucket when I only really needed 6-8" wide. So, open to ideas.

- Loader Bucket: The 54" bucket from Kubota is listed as the Normal bucket. The 60" is listed as "Light Duty". Was thinking the 54" standard duty one would be better. Would like to hear from others here with the LA504 and the 60" bucket in rocky terrain.

Thanks!

Tom

 

[Verdemont]

I emailed the dealer that previously had the best price (8.72% discount) and asked him if he would give me 10% off of the list price for the entire deal. Free delivery, no setup, no other fees. Just add the 2.9% tax to it. About 2.5 hours later he replied that yes he would do that. But only asked that I do my training at his dealership so the delivery person can just be a truck driver.

Sounds awesome. I have about 350 hours on my old B7610 so not much to learn about the new tractor. Just need to learn how to use the BH and anything new with the new model.

May just seal the deal tomorrow and run down there and sign the papers and apply for the Kubota financing.

Woot! My wife and I are taking the week of Memorial day off and would be great to have the new unit delivered prior to that time.

Tom

 

[zmjc]

Suggestion: If you have rocky, hilly terrain, get filled tires (rimguard), and ask to have the rear tires placed at their maximum width for stability.

Also, you might want to consider the L3800HST. Roughly the same price, but more HP, heavier, wider, and more ground clearance. No mid-pto though.

 

[Verdemont]

Suggestion: If you have rocky, hilly terrain, get filled tires (rimguard), and ask to have the rear tires placed at their maximum width for stability.

Also, you might want to consider the L3800HST. Roughly the same price, but more HP, heavier, wider, and more ground clearance. No mid-pto though.

Z:

Thanks. Not too hilly. One of the reasons for picking the B3300SU over the B3200 is the tires (at least the rears) are much larger with the R4's. Too much width would be an issue though among the trees and is one of the reasons I was staying away from the L series. Local dealer has a sweet L3240 with 150 hours on it with FEL but it's big. I wonder how much weight the filled tires add? And, with a BH77 on the back at about 1400 pounds, will weight back there really be an issue?

Tom

 

[zmjc]

And, with a BH77 on the back at about 1400 pounds, will weight back there really be an issue?

Well, the beauty of the filled tires is that they add weight below the center of gravity, improving stability. The backhoe weight is higher up.

Anyway, it might not be so critical if your ground isn't that hilly... see what you dealer suggests.

- Mike

 

[Tompet]

One thing to consider is the 12" BH bucket measures 12" across the teeth but the interior width of the bucket itself is 10.5" and tapers to a little less towards back of bucket. So a 10" would seem pretty narrow. Also, you may want to consider adding the BH thumb...comes in handy...especially dealing with rocks.

 

[Verdemont]

Progress Report:

Based on recommendations from dealer, and people here as well, I changed a few details for my order:

1. Went with the 60" bucket. Dealer strongly recommended the bucket be as wide or wider than the rear tires. It feels pretty heavy duty to me.

2. BH77 bucket: Went with the 12".

3. Loader Quick Coupler: Decided I did not need it. I never ever took the bucket off my old tractor and don't see doing it here.

4. Bucket Hooks - Dealer agreed to weld on 3 hooks and paint them for a reasonable price.


Other Status:

- Kubota financing approval - Done.
- Paperwork: Waiting to sign.
- Delivery: Requested it to be no later than Friday, May 27. But earlier is fine.

Open Issues:

1. Dealers does have a brand new in the crate BH77 but the subframe kit he has is for a L series tractor which will not fit the 3300SU. He called the Kubota area rep (not sure of technical name) to get one expedited or asked that the other dealer (who I was dealing with) allow him to swap subframe kits. They had at least 6-12 new BH77's and at least some of them must fit the B3300SU.

2. I am still deciding if I should purchase a PHD now or wait. Not sure what brands are good.

3. Also not sure whether to purchase a 5' or 6' blade. I'm used to a 5' on my old B7610 but dealer strongly recommends the 6' for my tractor. But he has a 5, a 6, a heavier duty 6 and a really heavy duty 6' as well. Forgot manufacturer but a dark brown/orange color.

Tom

 

[Ductape]

Progress Report:

Based on recommendations from dealer, and people here as well, I changed a few details for my order:

1. Went with the 60" bucket. Dealer strongly recommended the bucket be as wide or wider than the rear tires. It feels pretty heavy duty to me.


I do think you'll be happier with the 60" bucket. If your bucket is narrower than your rear tires, you'll find that your sidewalls are constantly rubbing on the material you are digging in / moving.


2. BH77 bucket: Went with the 12".


Fair enough compromise on the width. Probably a good choice if you have rocky soil.



3. Loader Quick Coupler: Decided I did not need it. I never ever took the bucket off my old tractor and don't see doing it here.


Though I'm not bananas about Kubota's proprietary quick coupler, I am a huge fan of the universal skidsteer style. No big deal if you honestly never see yourself ever needing a set of forks, toothed bucket, etc. If you do think a set of forks may come in handy in the future.... NOW is the time to change the bucket and get the SSQA. I converted my B3030 to a skidsteer type after I bought my tractor, and it has been the single best thing I have done to my tractor.

4. Bucket Hooks - Dealer agreed to weld on 3 hooks and paint them for a reasonable price.

Very good idea !


Other Status:

- Kubota financing approval - Done.
- Paperwork: Waiting to sign.
- Delivery: Requested it to be no later than Friday, May 27. But earlier is fine.

Open Issues:

1. Dealers does have a brand new in the crate BH77 but the subframe kit he has is for a L series tractor which will not fit the 3300SU. He called the Kubota area rep (not sure of technical name) to get one expedited or asked that the other dealer (who I was dealing with) allow him to swap subframe kits. They had at least 6-12 new BH77's and at least some of them must fit the B3300SU.

2. I am still deciding if I should purchase a PHD now or wait. Not sure what brands are good.


If you prefer to finance the PHD, I do believe Kubota will finance a Land Pride brand for the 0% , along with the tractor. I bought a Speeco from Tractor Supply for half the money and it works fine for my needs.



3. Also not sure whether to purchase a 5' or 6' blade. I'm used to a 5' on my old B7610 but dealer strongly recommends the 6' for my tractor. But he has a 5, a 6, a heavier duty 6 and a really heavy duty 6' as well. Forgot manufacturer but a dark brown/orange color.


If you mean a grader blade, I would also get the 6 foot. If you are talking box blades, I'd stick with a five foot.... or more preferably 66".



Tom

Only other ( relatively ) inexpensive thing I'd recommend, is Kubota's rear wheel spacers and rear tires loaded with Rim Guard.

Congratulations on your new tractor ....... we look forward to you posting some pictures when it arrives !! :thumbsup:

 

[TroyR57]

The tires on the rear of the B3300SU are very Big, I don't think Spacers are needed, You could ask about a heavy duty wide FEL bucket, I know my friend has a nice one, but its ssqa, but has a bolt on cutting edge, and is rounding in the bucket area. I know all this is just a day late and dollar short, as hopfully you have your tractor on the way by now. All in all sounds like a nice rig, I hope you enjoy it, and it does every thing you ask of it. Be Safey out there. PS Six Position Mech Thumb would be nice.

 

[Verdemont]

The tires on the rear of the B3300SU are very Big, I don't think Spacers are needed, You could ask about a heavy duty wide FEL bucket, I know my friend has a nice one, but its ssqa, but has a bolt on cutting edge, and is rounding in the bucket area. I know all this is just a day late and dollar short, as hopfully you have your tractor on the way by now. All in all sounds like a nice rig, I hope you enjoy it, and it does every thing you ask of it. Be Safey out there. PS Six Position Mech Thumb would be nice.

Troy:

Not too late. Still have not signed the sales order yet as I told the dealer he had to have all the right parts like the subframe parts for the BH77 before I considered it a deal.

My situation is that we only have a few acres right now with a cabin/small house on it. We bought it 3 years ago and have been focusing on the outside/yard/fence. I've been renting skid loaders or mini-excavators from the local Ace Hardware rental place when needed. I also have a neighbor with a full-size JD TLB who I pay cash for once in a while when he's around. Primarily I need to dig holes to plant trees. It can be very rocky so a BH is needed. That's the primary reason I need one. I also need to dig in a lot more irrigation lines for my watering system for the trees, etc.. The lot has a lot of rocks and other items that need to be moved around. And I need to be able to do some landscaping where I am going to put in a patio and such as well. The FEL and BH will make my life much easier. In the long term I have two neighbors that will likely sell their places and land in the next 5-7 years and we are interested in buying that land and the house on it. Either one of the properties would be great. The one we really want had 3 lots with a total of 23 acres. The house sits in the middle lot and the others are undeveloped. The owners are older and have done nothing to keep the property in good shape. Am considering working with them to mow, put in some new culverts, and do other work in an attempt to show them I would be a good new owner.

I will likely not take the BH off the tractor until the fall when I will put a 5 or 6' blade on there. This is not our primary residence (yet) so snow removal in the winter is optional.
As someone said before, having the Kubota may be a 25K wheelbarrow at times but I am turning 55 this year and want to make fun out of the work ahead. I do plan on offering to do work for other neighbors for $$ in the area who need work like backhoeing to put new draining culverts in, moving dirt, etc.. The nearest town is 10 miles away and it is often hard to get contractors to come out and work. And many of us are "weekenders only" for the most part and many of the commercial folks with bobcats and such don't work. I think it is likely that within 5 years I can do enough side jobs in the 'hood to pay for my tractor. We're 4 miles from the county highway so driving my tractor on the dirt roads is not an issue. There is also a tree farm nearby that I think I can do some work for with my tractor as well as he lays a lot of irrigation lines. I could even exchange tractor work for trees via barter.

I do plan on getting a thumb for the BH but not on day 1. The rear tires on the B3300SU as as big as some of the L's so not sure I need to fill them. Also still deciding to get a PHD or not. I have at least 500' more fence posts to put in and I think the ability to dig holes would help me make $$ with the neighbors. It is rocky and doing it by hand is just not realistic. I normally have to hire a guy with a skidloader with PHD for $75 hour with a 3 hour minimum when he can make it.

Appreciate all the input.

Tom

 

[NHSawyer]

Tom,
I have a place that I have had to lay claim to in terms of converting forest into usable land. It is a very rocky place. I ended up getting an older JD construction size loader backhoe. When I bought it I ended up getting a machine that I felt was much larger than I needed. I bought it because it was in great condition and the price was the market price. Basically I felt it was a fair deal and I would just put up with having a machine larger than I needed. As I started clearing land and pulling stumps and moving rocks I was grateful for having the larger machine. Rocks get heavy so the machine needs to have mass to move them espcially if they need to come up out of the ground.
My advice would be that when getting a machine and especially a backhoe get bigger than you think you will need. I would say get the biggest you can afford. You will never regret it. You will find uses for it and yup you will be limited by what the machine can do.
Sawyer

 

[zmjc]

I do plan on getting a thumb for the BH but not on day 1.

If you're digging rocks, the mech thumb will make a big difference. It'll save your back, because you'll be less tempted to move things by hand. I'd get it on day 1...

- Mike

 

[Verdemont]

If you're digging rocks, the mech thumb will make a big difference. It'll save your back, because you'll be less tempted to move things by hand. I'd get it on day 1...

- Mike

Mike:

Still considering. I am married to a CPA/Financial Analyst so despite the fact that we are both good earners she has the critical eye towards "want" and "need". She knows me after 25+ years.

Rocks in our yard tend to come in 3 sizes: Baseball, Basketball, and Mondo. Luckily there aren't too many mondos but even a big L series would not move a Mondo if I find one when digging. So will still need to utilize the neighbor with the big full size contractor TLB to do those. There have been a few that he could Hoe out of the ground but not lift so he just rolled them down the hill. They are literally as big as my 25HP garden tractor. 95% of the rocks could be lifted with the BH with a thumb so am interested.

I think I will start slowly and then get more as I need. We can afford to pay $ for the tractor but would be silly to do so as it's free money from Kubota. So if I decide to get a PHD, 6' blade, Thumb, etc.. I will just pay cash for that this summer. I have a 5'x8' landscape trailer at the cabin so I can drive down to the Kubota dealer (1 hour) and have him fork any other implements into my trailer and I can use my FEL to remove them.

I appreciate all the good advice I am getting. This site is a perfect example of how the internet can really help someone learn all they really need to know in one place. However, I have received a few emails from folks here with some, IMHO, strange ideas.

Tom

 

[zmjc]

Mike:

Still considering. I am married to a CPA/Financial Analyst so despite the fact that we are both good earners she has the critical eye towards "want" and "need". She knows me after 25+ years.

Rocks in our yard tend to come in 3 sizes: Baseball, Basketball, and Mondo.

Trust us... if you don't have a thumb, you'll be "kicking" the basketballs around with the BH. You'll have a hard time getting them into the bucket, because they want to roll out.

The thumb lets you grab them, (fairly) easily.

Anyway... I don't want to flog a dead horse... but the thumb is inexpensive and seriously increases your capabilities (grab and move logs) and rock-moving productivity.

- Mike

 

[NHSawyer]

You are getting great advice on getting the thumb. My loader/backhoe does not have one and I cannot get one as it is an older machine. Without a thumb you have to yard the stone you want to pickup against other stones or a stump. If you do it against other stones eventually you have a couple you cannot pickup.

 

[Verdemont]

Done deal.

Finalized the deal today. The spouse and I made the drive to visit and signed the paperwork. It should all be ready by next Wednesday and delivered as early as next Thursday or Friday. They have thumbs available so I can just add it to the deal anytime before next Thu.

Tom

 

[zmjc]

Enjoy!