got the pm!! thanks. i get in touch sooner or later. what radioman had in mind would be the shizznit!! that is the one thing i like about a bucket reciever....grab and go. you dont have to mess with a tounge jack or anything. i just hate pulling backwards and sometimes it alot of weight out front. i picked up a trailer one time that had a truck on it that i was moving in and out of my spraybooth. my right front tire happend to be somewhat low on air and i forgot i had taken the box off the 3pt. man, i grabbed that thing, the back went up, the front tire squished, the tractor tilted so far to the right it threw me right off the seat. didn't know what was going on. that darn seat is so slick (i have the old one). it all took me by surprise. picking up from the rear is a much more stable way to do it since the rear of the tractor is so much more beefy. it will handle more weight back there too.