Kubota Legal request this be posted.

jlemon · Oct 1, 2003

(
 Not sure exactly what the message is here...but they do finance non-Kubota implements, I can tell you that for sure.

To top it off...at a zero percent interest rate!)

Hmm, that's interesting. My sale was only written up this way because the dealer told me flat out that KCC would not finance non-Kubota products on the 0% interest rate. Seems you (and several others) have the exact opposite experience, I wonder if my dealer is just misinformed.

I don't think this affects the warranty one way or another; the implements are within the PTO/size ranges that Kubota provides in their specifications. Perhaps the problem the original poster had was that the thumb was outside specifications?

As to the dealer installing non-warrantied items; I had my dealer weld grab hooks to the loader bucket, I can't recall whether he warned me that this would void the bucket warranty or not. Since I was fairly sure this probably would void the warranty anyway, I wasn't concerned. (Dang, those hooks are useful! )

icat · Oct 1, 2003

Well, the 0% financing "might" be the difference here. I went for a 60 month contract so I'm paying the outrageous sum of 2.99% (or something like that) in interest. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rockyridgefarm · Oct 1, 2003

( I could not disagree more. Kubota should be kicking the dealer's butt all over the county if they installed the thumb. They SHOULD be kissing C.W's butt for being inconveinced.

If Dodge tells a dealer not to install a fifth wheel trailer on a half ton truck and the dealer does. I think Dodge would apologize to the customer and repremand the dealer.(if they have half a brain)
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You are right! I forgot the dealer installed the thumb. They are the ones who should be paying up.

And the point is well made that CW is still handling things the wrong way.

BTW I don't sell the Mopars, I am an IT guy. But we do have a lot of fun 'round here...

_RaT_ · Oct 1, 2003

My L48 was purchased several years back on a 3 or 4% rate. That may very well explain the difference. I can see offering free financing for your product and not for others.

normde2001 · Oct 1, 2003

Could one of you backhoe owners please give us backhoe neophytes a quick course on the backhoe. Is the dipperstick the part that the bucket attaches to, which then attaches to the boom? If so, I would be curious to hear "precisely" how it got bent. Is it supposed to be heavy and sturdy enough to withstand all of the hydraulic pressure and/or tractor weight? Is there a relief valve that is supposed to activate at a certain pressure, but failed? Sorry I missed the original thread on this subject.

Inspector507 · Oct 1, 2003

Norm,
The dipperstick is the part that the bucket attaches to. From the pic in the "article" it appears the dipperstick twisted. If my memory is correct, in the first post of his misfortunes, we never did actually hear what "action" caused it to twist or bend. Looks almost like the bucket was below ground and the tractor moved, but that's purely speculation on my part.
The article was Northwest Tractor NEWS but I could find no reference to it on the 'net anywhere.
Funny thing though, when you see his post, it says a total of 8 posts. When you pull them up, only 4 appear, unless the other 4 were in the original post that got deleted.

normde2001 · Oct 1, 2003

Thanks Jerry.

"Funny thing though, when you see his post, it says a total of 8 posts. When you pull them up, only 4 appear, unless the other 4 were in the original post that got deleted."

I suppose you are right about that.

5030 · Oct 1, 2003

Mike:

You know I have had some issues with my 5030 too. While I have not had a failure like CW Stevenson, I too have an ongoing problem with my ac unit which I modified so as to make it work properly.

I have been sent a rather long questionaire from Kubota in Torrance California to explain my should I say "non-Kubota" modifications to the tractor. My dealer is also aware of those modifications and has talked to Kubota about them. I just got home from a visit to my dealer and talked to Rex, the head service man. Rex told me that Kubota had no problem with the modifications and was considering similar modofications to cab L and M models in the future.

That statement tells me that Kubota is indeed receptive to non-Kubota items installed on their tractors.

I read the files you attached (much appreciated) and in my opinion, if I was Mr. Stevenson, I would have rented a small excavator to remove the stumps.

I did a really close up inspection of a new BH90 today and the unit seems to be well built with plenty of external gussetting. I remember the picture of the hoe before Mohammad pulled the thread and to produce a twist like that in a box section fabrication, a tremendous amount of side force had to be applied, more, than the swing cylinders would provide. I don't want to speculate on the force applied, I just reason that it would have to be a combination of leverage from more than one set of cylinders.

Last week, I worked with a friend of mine clearing a lot of trees (undesirable) so that he may start construction of his new house. Most of the trees were in the neighborhood of 12-14 inches across and not pines, but ashes and maples. I didn't even use a backhoe to dig them out, I just pulled them out with a chain on the drawbar of the 5030 and they had taproots.
Here is the smart way to do it.....
Cut the trees off as high as you can safely reach, 5 foot or better. put a chain at the top, within a few inches of the cut. That way, you have a nice lever to pull the stump with. Cut it close to the ground, no way unless you use a D-6.

Hoeman00 · Oct 4, 2003

I had a Kubota L2900 w/ FEL and hoe, I was looking at new and larger tractors.
While I was looking Kubmech had a post on the front axle and it was a $800 fix if it went bad, Kubota would fix it for 7 years and I was w/in 2 months of that date.
But the catch was it had to go bad before they would fix.
I got a good deal on my NH 35D and really like it compared to the L2900.(just stating MY opinion)
Now I have run about every size hoe made even a 20hp Bolens TLB.
All the machines have pressure reliefs to stop it before damaging the hoe.
I don't care how he hooked the tap root that kubota says broke his hoe but the pressure relief should protect it.
If u use multiple cylinders to damage it the flow goes to the cylinder w/ least resistance so it should be impossible to damage it that way.
I never saw the pic but all the companies have defects make it thru.
Look at Deere and the bucket cylinders that have soft rods and bend like prezels, but Deere gave the owners a hard time replacing them but on this forum u could see it wasn't a 1-in a million problem like the manufacture leads u to believe.

What does Kubota have in building a dipperstick $50 or so, give it him and keep him happy but also tell him use the thumb on the next one at your own risk.
As for removing stumps unless they are <6" I can remove them faster w/ my 710 hoe the the D6C.
When u get into 48"+ beech stumps in hard clay I can get them out much faster and a lot smaller hole than a dozer.
Most of the time the big stumps I take out w/ the tree still up.
A couple swipes of the roots on the side the hoe is on and stick the bucket about 15' up and push it right over.
I can also guide them down so I can weave them thru and land them right where I want.

SethO · Oct 4, 2003

Please post a diagram of the forces and their directions when a backhoe is in use to dig up a stump, this should include one of the fluid system too. Then follow that with a post on the tolerances of the different joints in the backhoe, the cylinders themselves, and the different welding points.

You should then point out how using a thumb will or will not affect the operations of the hoe. Also compare your original diagrams of the backhoe with new drawings after a thumb installation, kindly add to the drawings the maximum tolerated forces so we can see whether or not there has been a change.

Finally describe what exactly Mr. Stevenson was doing and how it should not have happened to his hoe if well manufactured. Another diagram of the forces in operation at the instant of the damage will be very helpful.

SethO