Kubota or mahindra

[jyoutz]

kFrom what I have heard and read you are paying
for the NAME Kubota and paying for the problems
with the Mahindra

INHO you would be a lot happier with this tractor:

YT3 Series | YANMAR Tractor

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willy

Yanmars are great tractors, but I don’t see how they are cheaper than Kubota. I went to the websites for both brands and built 47 HP open station tractors (L4701 and the equivalent yanmar). They are within a few hundred dollars difference in price. And dealer support is more available for Kubota. I have a Kubota dealer within 30 miles, but the nearest Yanmar dealer is 200 miles away. This is the case in many places, Yanmar dealers are few and far between.

 

[airbiscuit]

Yanmar must have had a non-compete when they were making all those John Deeres. I hope they have rapid growth now as I really like their integrated hydraulic mechanical transmission. They are excellent CUT builders.

 

[rScotty]

Industry Shift: Kubota’s Pursuit to be a Global Full Liner

There’s little doubt that the major tractor brands are looking over their shoulder at Kubota. The Japanese tractor maker is often credited for fully developing the compact and utility tractor market, which it continues to dominate today. According to UCC filings*, through the first 11 months of 2016 Kubota held a market share of nearly 47% in the tractor ranges up to 80 horsepower. Deere was a distant second with 19%.

All that those UCC filing percentages actually tell us is that in the first 11 months of 2016, people buying Kubotas were over twice as likely to fiance their purchase than the people buying JDs.

Anything else is speculation.

rScotty

 

[airbiscuit]

John Deere doesn't offer 0% financing - Oh Wait ...

 

[Paystar]

I bet once you go above 80 pto horsepower, the ration quickly changes to JD.

My dealer is a Kubota and John Deere dealer and the owner told me the same thing.....Kubota owns the market up to 70h.p. but then Deere takes the lead after that.

 

[Cougsfan]

The only obvious way to make a totally rational decision is to buy the one that has your favorite color of paint.

 

[DieselBound]

The only obvious way to make a totally rational decision is to buy the one that has your favorite color of paint.

I did that! But, I've got a Kubota AND a Kioti!

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

A near by AgWay used to sell JD Lawn and Garden tractors and the whole Mahindra line of tractors. The Mahindras used to sell like hot cakes every year. Then two years ago there no Mahindras on their lot that spring. I asked what was going on and they said they dumped Mahindra because they had too many machines coming in with major issues while still under warranty and Mahindra was not stepping up to correct the problems leaving them with too many unhappy long-time customers. I'm not promoting another line, just sharing what I know from this one former Mahindra dealer.

I remember when Rush Limbaugh used to promote them on his radio show He clearly had no experience with this industry.

 

[jeff9366]

I bet once you go above 80 pto horsepower, the ration quickly changes to JD.

Indubitably. But 80-horsepower tractors are out of the compact tractor category. 80-horsepower tractors are in the utility tractor category. Unit volume is much lower, revenue per unit higher.

 

[jeff9366]

Google it

Or you doubters could request 2020 compact tractor market shares from Messicks, which with five large Pennsylvania stores selling multiple tractor brands likely has the 2020 data in hand.

I tease out my data from reading freebie ag industry publications some of which I have been involuntarily subscribed to and financial reports such as Bloomberg. Another source is industry shareholder annual reports, available on the web to those willing to parse through ~sixty pages~ of blarney and hard numbers, which I do. When I have doubts about some of the data you regularly see the two words "I speculate" used. Unless Messicks volunteers, I know of no source where this semi-confidential industry data is available on a consolidated basis, gratis. These types of reports are usually compiled by third party industry watchers and sold by subscription.

Many years ago when I worked in the California wine industry before retirement, I subscribed to the wine industry market share report called the Gomberg-Fredrikson Report. Long ago I paid $1,400 per year, perhaps $4,000 per year now?????

Evaluate everything you read on T-B-N for yourself.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

An interesting snippet from Bloomberg:

Of the 305,000 tractors bought in North America last year, some 68% were models with less than 40 horsepower, according to Deere. The big rigs, meanwhile, are fallow. The market for tractors over 100 horsepower peaked in 2013. Last year, Americans bought just 6,605 combines.

 

[Torvy]

Take this for what it is worth. I had a long conversation yesterday with the owner of the nearest Kioti and LS dealership. He was a long time Massey dealer and also used to sell Mahindra. Among other stories he shared was frustration that Mahindra did not stand behind their warranty. Dealership did warranty work and determined it was not customer abuse, but Mahindra would not reimburse them. Long story short, he dropped Mahindra. Note: this is only one data point and is anecdotal, but based on my research here and through personal contacts, Mahindra is one of the only manufacturers I completely eliminated in my search...sorry Willy, but Yanmar is the other...too far from my property.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

MORE 'M' SERIES:

I personally think the guy in this video

would have been a lot better off with a MX5400/MX6000 HST then that gear drive M5660.

 

[5030]

Mahindra's are so popular around here that honestly, I've never seen one in the flesh. No dealers no units, no nothing. The last one I physically saw was west of Jackson, Michigan at a customer's and it looked pretty crude, but that was at least 15 years ago. Since then, not a one.

Now, Mahindra assembles the Roxor north of here in Farmington Hills, Michigan. I understand they arrive in overseas containers and are completed there but I've never seen one of them either.

Maybe someday I'll actually see one but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Industry Shift: Kubota’s Pursuit to be a Global Full Liner

There’s little doubt that the major tractor brands are looking over their shoulder at Kubota. The Japanese tractor maker is often credited for fully developing the compact and utility tractor market, which it continues to dominate today. According to UCC filings*, through the first 11 months of 2016 Kubota held a market share of nearly 47% in the tractor ranges up to 80 horsepower. Deere was a distant second with 19%.

I take issue with the statement, "The Japanese tractor maker is often credited for fully developing the compact and utility tractor market..." They like Deere took their design cues from Ford. Ford started the compact/utility segment with their 1000 series. Kubota was the first to start the small diesel engine category.

 

[5030]

Most large farmers around here LEASE their equipment (Combines and large row crop tractors), they don't buy them outright.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Probably, but this a Compact Tractor Forum. I like Kubota and I like John Deere. Kubota and Yanmar invented/created the CUT market in the US. Deere saw thegrowing market and ~rebadged Yanmars for many years rather than designing their own. Kubota committed to CUT s and it shows in their US market share.

Wrong! Ford created it like they created everything else.

 

[Torvy]

It is always easier to spend someone else's money. The gear drive is cheaper and does not lose as much power to the PTO. The MX models are 600 pounds lighter than the M5660.
Note: when I say cheaper, I mean for what you get. The price of the MX6000 and the M5660 are basically the same. The MX is just a much lesser tractor in terms of weight and frame for your money. Learning to use the gear drive is well worth the inconvenience.

 

[Torvy]

I take issue with the statement, "... often credited for fully developing ..."

I think this is the key part of the phrase. Ford may have started the ball rolling, but this, like many things, is in the eyes of the person doing the writing/research.

 

[5030]

Kind of curious as to what happens when the economy finally takes the deep dive and all those 'suburbanites' that buy the small tractors can no longer afford to make the payments on them. reality is, when you have to choose from feeding your face or making a note on a piece of equipment, you all know what takes preference.

Same applies to the housing market. It's gotten so inflated that buying a home has become almost financially impossible unless you actually have the where with all to make a couple grand mortgage payment every month. I don't see any of that coming to a good ending with the general economy on the cusp of a severe recession.

Something has to give and it's usually not necessary purchases that take the hit.

Same applies to vehicles. I'm sure not gonna pay 80 grand for a new pickup truck, but then, I have not had a vehicle or house payment for years anyway.

 

[jeff9366]

Ford started the compact/utility segment with their 1000 series. Kubota was the first to start the small diesel engine category.

Harry Ferguson, the Anglo-Irish inventor of the Three Point Hitch, made the compact tractor viable. Ferguson's early production was made by David Brown, Ltd. in England for UK sale.

In 1939 Ferguson liscenced his internationally patented Three Point Hitch and tractor design to Henry Ford. Ford designated it the 9N. The war started. Men left the farm to become soldiers. Ford sold all the tractors for which Ford could obtain steel allocations during WW2, replacing men, horses and mules with compact tractors. Ford maintained its tractor dominance several years after Ferguson's patents expired in the mid-1950s when other tractor brands got Three Point Hitch designs into the market.

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