Kubotas in the low/mid 40hp range

[IndyIan]

Can you spin the tires with Ag's in mid range low in 4wd on an HST+ tractor, with it properly ballasted for loader work at crawling speeds?
If yes, HST+ would seem to be quite useful for heavy loader work. If no, then you are back to low range and a choice of useless slow and normal HST slow.

I suspect the answer is no otherwise why have low range at all?

Also what is the price difference between a MX5100 HST and the equivalent L model with HST+? The plain Kubota's were too rich for my budget so I didn't even ask about the HST+ models.

Anyways, it probably is a great feature for pulling heavy wagons, etc, on hills where mid range on a normal HST tractor would stall out, and auto throttle would be nice for general driving around and light loader work if you can adjust the minimum rpm up to somewhere where the hydraulics work well.

 

[Piston]

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3) I bought the Kioti because of its 2700+ lift capacity loader. Remind me which Kubota model offers that for about $19000?

This is EXACTLY why I was inquiring about whether or not he is dead set on Kubota. I very often find that my FEL capacity is lacking, and it's the MAIN reason for my recent threads on upgrading my tractor.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

1) Please list the features, other than HST+, on your deluxe Lxx40 that are missing from my DK.

Magic ferry juice . Your back at the unfortunate spec sheet again. The small cost difference goes into things like quality, a flexible warrenty policy, field service reps, etc. Just like we always have this conversation that its best to buy from the dealer who can provide good service, its important to have a vendor who can provide that as well. Lets remeber we sell dozens of brands of equipment and they all sure as heck don't stand behind their dealers enabling them to give good service. I'm not suggesting that we should be foolish with our money, but the American way thats grown the Walmarts of the world is creating products and companies that are only interested in the initial sale and not a total customer experience. Case in point, the Cub Cadet lawn equipment we sell. Its cheap, looks great on a spec sheet.. but God help you if one breaks.

2) I appreciate your point about the evolution of tractors but I know you do not require reminding that relatively few of the deluxe features really influence how much work you can do. Modern CUTs are becoming less "tractor" like and more "utility" vehicles friendly to the suburbanite non professional farmer especially with cabs etc. Don't get me wrong, I like every one of the "deluxe" enhancements on my DK but cannot honestly say that I could out work Kioti's MX equivalent DS series.

So an old Ford 8N can keep right up a modern tractor? I see your point in that small features may not add up to much, however years of progess and item after item do add up in small ways. You know having a cup holder has got to save you at least 5-6 minutes in itself, and what would you do without a place to plug in a cell phone.

3) I bought the Kioti because of its 2700+ lift capacity loader. Remind me which Kubota model offers that for about $19000?
M5640SU would have been within striking distance at the time you got your DK. Things have crept up in the last 18 months or so.

...btw, not singling out you or Kioti on anything on my soap box there.. just my annoyance with the way our perception of value is so heavily biased to price alone.

 

[carlmill]

This is EXACTLY why I was inquiring about whether or not he is dead set on Kubota. I very often find that my FEL capacity is lacking, and it's the MAIN reason for my recent threads on upgrading my tractor.

My general thread is at: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...38067-need-suggestion-what-class-tractor.html

I am also looking at JD 4x20, MF 16xx, NH Boomer 40 besides Kubota.
That thread also describes some of the uses to which the tractor will be put such as recovering an abandoned field (5-7 acres) fixing a washed out earth dam, road/trail maint/improvement, feed lot, berry/apple plot, brush work with grapple, dragging logs, etc.

Carl

 

[IslandTractor]

This is EXACTLY why I was inquiring about whether or not he is dead set on Kubota. I very often find that my FEL capacity is lacking, and it's the MAIN reason for my recent threads on upgrading my tractor.

Kubota built its reputation starting with small light weight B series CUTs that 1) defined the market segment and 2) were aimed at folks doing a fair amount of mowing. As a result they focused on light weight which made a lot of sense. You don't put heavy axles on a tractor you want to finish mow with so that became kind of a standard for the B, BX and then L range. If you have lightweight axles you really cannot put a very strong loader on it even though the tractor hydraulics could handle it because you'd be at risk of lifting loads that would damage the front axle. Light duty loaders(at least compared with Mahindra and Kioti and aftermarket loaders by Rhino, Woods etc) are the flip side of having a tractor that is optimized or at least has a heritage that was optimized for finish mowing.

If the MX4700 had been available when I bought my DK40se, it would have been a serious contender based on the specs. The L series just didn't have the loader strength I wanted. The equivalent Kioti to the MX4700 is the DK50se which is identical in all ways to the DK40se except that it has a bored and stroked engine block and puts out 8 more HP. Loader is the same as the DK40se and DK45se. I've not looked closely at a MX4700 so I don't know what features it lacks compared to the Kioti but the Kioti was basically designed to match the Lxx30 series feature for feature so the MX might require optional rear remotes and a few other upgrades to compare directly pricewise. The MX looks real good to me though and with a lift capacity of 2400lbs at the pivot points it is almost equivalent to the Kioti's 2760lbs. The MX also weighs only 150lbs less than the Kiotis which means to me that the MX lineup is a branching away from the Kubota finish mower tree and a step towards a traditional small Ag tractor. :thumbsup:

If I had an L4610 and wanted more loader, I'd take a hard look at the MX4700 especially if I liked my dealer. Check out the Kioti and Mahindra equivalents just to be complete but I sure like what the MX series looks like on paper. I kinda suspect Kubota developed the MX to compete with Kioti and Mahindra which outclass the plain L series while the Lxx40 is to compete with the JD top end machines where Kubota does not have a price disadvantage.

 

[IslandTractor]

1) Please list the features, other than HST+, on your deluxe Lxx40 that are missing from my DK.

Magic ferry juice . Your back at the unfortunate spec sheet again. The small cost difference goes into things like quality, a flexible warrenty policy, field service reps, etc. Just like we always have this conversation that its best to buy from the dealer who can provide good service, its important to have a vendor who can provide that as well. Lets remeber we sell dozens of brands of equipment and they all sure as heck don't stand behind their dealers enabling them to give good service. I'm not suggesting that we should be foolish with our money, but the American way thats grown the Walmarts of the world is creating products and companies that are only interested in the initial sale and not a total customer experience. Case in point, the Cub Cadet lawn equipment we sell. Its cheap, looks great on a spec sheet.. but God help you if one breaks.

2) I appreciate your point about the evolution of tractors but I know you do not require reminding that relatively few of the deluxe features really influence how much work you can do. Modern CUTs are becoming less "tractor" like and more "utility" vehicles friendly to the suburbanite non professional farmer especially with cabs etc. Don't get me wrong, I like every one of the "deluxe" enhancements on my DK but cannot honestly say that I could out work Kioti's MX equivalent DS series.

So an old Ford 8N can keep right up a modern tractor? I see your point in that small features may not add up to much, however years of progess and item after item do add up in small ways. You know having a cup holder has got to save you at least 5-6 minutes in itself, and what would you do without a place to plug in a cell phone.

3) I bought the Kioti because of its 2700+ lift capacity loader. Remind me which Kubota model offers that for about $19000?
M5640SU would have been within striking distance at the time you got your DK. Things have crept up in the last 18 months or so.

...btw, not singling out you or Kioti on anything on my soap box there.. just my annoyance with the way our perception of value is so heavily biased to price alone.

1) I would never be so silly as to suggest that there is not value added by Kubota's vastly larger and more sophisticated dealer network etc. For a commercial customer that can we worth $$$$. Likewise for a non mechanical owner that dealer network is also worth lots of avoided pain and aggravation. However for someone who doesn't mind doing their own oil changes and can replace a broken fuel bowl or ignition switch themselves in their driveway that wonderful dealership and support network is a pretty pricey bit of infrastructure to support. But I certainly agree completely that any buyer should be well aware of the benefits of JD and Kubota networks as part of what they are paying for.

I agree we should look at more than specifications but it is also obviously wrong to minimize the "bang for the buck" consideration when purchasing what is essentially a tool. Tractors don't gain in value, they don't adorn our walls as decorative items and they are not only toys. They are tools and therefore any tool needs to be judged by what it can do and how well. Kioti and Mahindra have both built market share over the past 5-10 years precisely because a lot of folks do calculate the bang for the buck.

 

[IslandTractor]

This is EXACTLY why I was inquiring about whether or not he is dead set on Kubota. I very often find that my FEL capacity is lacking, and it's the MAIN reason for my recent threads on upgrading my tractor.

Piston, check out Boston Craigs List: 2007 KUBOTA M7040DTC 4WD w/ LA1153 Front Loader 660 HOURS - $15000 (boston)

Great deal and it sure has a nice loader.

 

[Piston]

If I had an L4610 and wanted more loader, I'd take a hard look at the MX4700 especially if I liked my dealer. Check out the Kioti and Mahindra equivalents just to be complete but I sure like what the MX series looks like on paper. I kinda suspect Kubota developed the MX to compete with Kioti and Mahindra which outclass the plain L series while the Lxx40 is to compete with the JD top end machines where Kubota does not have a price disadvantage.

I have a friend from high school who took over his dad's tractor dealership. I ordered my grapple through them, and while I was there I was looking at the MX he had on the showroom floor. I made a comment about upgrading and he told me that it is virtually the same tractor that I have with the same loader, it's just updated a bit. I was surprised to find later on that my loader and tractor are rated the same as the MX series. The specs seem almost identical? I have the LA852 loader and it appears that the MX loaders are rated at the same lift as mine

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I kinda suspect Kubota developed the MX to compete with Kioti and Mahindra which outclass the plain L series while the Lxx40 is to compete with the JD top end machines where Kubota does not have a price disadvantage.

MX's have been around for 15+ years. There are some models that are a response to value brand tractors, but thats not one of them. See M5640, M7040SU, M7040SUHD, L4400/4600, B3300SU. Lift wise, the MX does not outlift a large L. The aim is more applications that need that heavier CAT2 rear in a smaller chasis.

 

[Piston]

Piston, check out Boston Craigs List: 2007 KUBOTA M7040DTC 4WD w/ LA1153 Front Loader 660 HOURS - $15000 (boston)

Great deal and it sure has a nice loader.

Wow, I'm a little skeptical of that one, but I just emailed him.

To the op:
I apologize if this thread got a little derailed.