Kubotas in the low/mid 40hp range

[Robert_in_NY]

Do non HST plus Kubota's have a stalling problem when operating the loader? I've stalled my Kioti a few times mowing but don't ever recall stalling while using the loader. I set the engine to run at about 1800rpm and just go to work. What does the anti stall do?

Regarding front tires: here is my DK lifting a 2000lb (12cu/ft) granite boulder balanced at the tip of my grapple. Load is centered about 3.5 feet from the pivot pins. Tires look OK to me. 10x16.5/6 R4s on the front.

I dug the rock out of the ground accidentally as I only saw the tip sticking out and was not aware it was so big. I grasped the tip and curled/lifted and this is what came up. I am not sure how much higher I could have lifted it but the seat of my pants told me to stop despite having a backhoe mounted for ballast. I doubt I could have lifted it to full height but probably could have put it in a pickup. Moved it about 100 feet and put it down.

I was plowing on the new farm we bought and hit a rock. It tripped the plow so I knew it was decent sized. Started digging with the TN and kept digging and digging till I finally got under it. Was able to get it out of the hole and pushed it to the edge. When I got to the brush it managed to get into the bucket of the tractor. I could lift it but the rear of the tractor decided to come off the ground after I lifted it a couple feet up. The rock was 5' long by roughly 2' tall by30" wide. Its kind of fun when you start digging these rocks out like that. You never know just what your getting yourself into. :laughing:

 

[IslandTractor]

I was plowing on the new farm we bought and hit a rock. It tripped the plow so I knew it was decent sized. Started digging with the TN and kept digging and digging till I finally got under it. Was able to get it out of the hole and pushed it to the edge. When I got to the brush it managed to get into the bucket of the tractor. I could lift it but the rear of the tractor decided to come off the ground after I lifted it a couple feet up. The rock was 5' long by roughly 2' tall by30" wide. Its kind of fun when you start digging these rocks out like that. You never know just what your getting yourself into. :laughing:

Yep. I was going after mine because I could hear it being hit by my flail mower even though I couldn't see it through the unmown grass. I came back afterwards and found it sticking out just a couple of inches so decided to grapple it out. Big surprise! Felt like the Capt of the Titanic!:laughing:

 

[art]

Do non HST plus Kubota's have a stalling problem when operating the loader? I've stalled my Kioti a few times mowing but don't ever recall stalling while using the loader. I set the engine to run at about 1800rpm and just go to work. What does the anti stall do?

Regarding front tires: here is my DK lifting a 2000lb (12cu/ft) granite boulder balanced at the tip of my grapple. Load is centered about 3.5 feet from the pivot pins. Tires look OK to me. 10x16.5/6 R4s on the front.

I dug the rock out of the ground accidentally as I only saw the tip sticking out and was not aware it was so big. I grasped the tip and curled/lifted and this is what came up. I am not sure how much higher I could have lifted it but the seat of my pants told me to stop despite having a backhoe mounted for ballast. I doubt I could have lifted it to full height but probably could have put it in a pickup. Moved it about 100 feet and put it down.

There are different driving levels here on tractorbynet from beginner to highly qualified and for the beginner, the stall gaurd is a good feature! Glad to here you don't feel a need for it but it also would have shifted down your tractor when mowing so it wouldn't have stalled.

With the backhoe mounted on the three point it offers the rear axle to be used as a pivot point and actually remove weight from the front axle. I'd rather for boasting sake see the rock out there with out the backhoe on! It is fun to dig up natures treasures! Now you won't need to sharpen those knives as much!

 

[IslandTractor]

There are different driving levels here on tractorbynet from beginner to highly qualified and for the beginner, the stall gaurd is a good feature! Glad to here you don't feel a need for it but it also would have shifted down your tractor when mowing so it wouldn't have stalled.

With the backhoe mounted on the three point it offers the rear axle to be used as a pivot point and actually remove weight from the front axle. I'd rather for boasting sake see the rock out there with out the backhoe on! It is fun to dig up natures treasures! Now you won't need to sharpen those knives as much!

Good point about the backhoe and shifting pivot point Art. You sly old Kubota dealers do know a thing or two!

Regarding the stall guard and my mowing experience, I had not thought of it but wouldn't stall guard make it more likely that you would break something on the mower (shear bolt anyway) if you hit an obstruction (for me it is often a piece of log someone has left in a field). My flail mower will stall when jammed but if I just automatically gave the engine more power it would just slip the belts or do damage. I use the auditory clue that the engine is bogging as a reason to slow down in thick stuff too. Not sure I would want that clue to disappear if the engine is automatically fed more fuel.

 

[art]

Good point about the backhoe and shifting pivot point Art. You sly old Kubota dealers do know a thing or two!

Regarding the stall guard and my mowing experience, I had not thought of it but wouldn't stall guard make it more likely that you would break something on the mower (shear bolt anyway) if you hit an obstruction (for me it is often a piece of log someone has left in a field). My flail mower will stall when jammed but if I just automatically gave the engine more power it would just slip the belts or do damage. I use the auditory clue that the engine is bogging as a reason to slow down in thick stuff too. Not sure I would want that clue to disappear if the engine is automatically fed more fuel.

Island, most dealers could make a movie for what they have seen operators do, it could be a horror, mystery or comedy depending on your position with the tractor and sense of humor!

For your log less is more!!!!! The throttle would not be increased just the tractor down shifted so you could grind on it longer!!!

 

[beppington]

IT - Your posts in this thread read as though you're pretty bothered that us Grand L owners paid more for our bells/whistles/cool features & are perfectly happy that we did so.

If anybody just takes your words for it, they'll be missing out on some really cool features & a high quality, well built machine.

I don't think I read where you've ever even tried out an HST+ machine? If you've only read about them, I don't think that's a fair position from which to be strongly arguing against the HST+/ Stall Guard.

Seems like most of the HST+ features/functions have been discussed in this thread, but I will add, overall the seemingly "insignificant" features make a whole day of tractoring more enjoyable, lower effort, less tiring, "how cool is this thing?!", even if one isn't convinced by any specific minor numerical benefits.

 

[IslandTractor]

IT - Your posts in this thread read as though you're pretty bothered that us Grand L owners paid more for our bells/whistles/cool features & are perfectly happy that we did so.

If anybody just takes your words for it, they'll be missing out on some really cool features & a high quality, well built machine.

I don't think I read where you've ever even tried out an HST+ machine? If you've only read about them, I don't think that's a fair position from which to be strongly arguing against the HST+/ Stall Guard.

Seems like most of the HST+ features/functions have been discussed in this thread, but I will add, overall the seemingly "insignificant" features make a whole day of tractoring more enjoyable, lower effort, less tiring, "how cool is this thing?!", even if one isn't convinced by any specific minor numerical benefits.

I don't think I have ever said HST+ was not an advance just that it is being over hyped for marketing purposes. That is understandable as it is a unique feature that other companies cannot point to but it means that the consumer needs to think a bit about just how much such a feature is worth to them.

Some extra features really help and are obviously worth while. Adjustable/flexible 3PT arms come immediately to mind as does a suspension seat or standard rear remotes or hydraulic top and tilt etc. Other items are not quite in that category so one needs to ponder if that is the best use of a limited tractor budget. For someone without a fixed budget surely any gizmo makes sense but for someone else operating within a budget you'd want to ask whether an upcharge for one feature was worth as much as say an extra implement that could be purchased by forgoing the "gizmo". (I don't mean gizmo in a derogatory way in this instance, just some generic wiz bang feature).

If I could have HST+ for a couple hundred bucks extra would I opt for it. Probably yes. If it cost an extra grand, probably not. Again my main point is that for someone with a fixed budget and a goal of getting the most tractor for the money, HST+ may not be the smartest place to invest the hard earned $$$. For someone else who always gets the latest and greatest it may make perfect sense. Sometimes I'm in one camp and sometimes in the other.

I haven't driven the HST+ but don't find it addresses a significant problem or something that is missing in my life. As Art mentioned, it may be more useful initially to someone new to tractors who is not used to making the range and throttle adjustments that we all get used to doing. I might feel differently if I used the loader to move piles of dirt from one place to another all day but for what I use my tractor for automatic throttle and range control is not such a big plus.

In this particular thread I would say that I have come to find the MX4700 HST with a few options (rear remotes, adjustable 3PT etc) to be the sweet spot in the Kubota lineup for my purposes. I don't think I would lose any sleep over not having the HST+ if I had that tractor. Every potential customer needs to think through how they will use the tractor and balance these issues. YMMV.

 

[kleetus]

so you been yappin like a 3 legged dog about the HST+ for 3 days now and you havent even driven one... nice..

 

[IslandTractor]

so you been yappin like a 3 legged dog about the HST+ for 3 days now and you havent even driven one... nice..

Nah, just seeing if you guys can think straight. Some can but others just drink the koolaid. You seriously think it is necessary to drive one to figure out what auto throttle and auto range are about? Do you need to drive a red tractor to see if you like red?

 

[PHILIP8N]

so you been yappin like a 3 legged dog about the HST+ for 3 days now and you havent even driven one... nice..

I went from a 1950 Ford 8N with transmission driven pto to a brand new L3940 HST+. Took me 3 days to learn how to operate all the fancy levers, knobs, bells, and whistles. But on that 4th day, and even more so now, I am glad I spent the extra money and got the GrandL HST+. I don't trade tractors like cars, this one will be around for a long time. Philip.