L6060HSTCC

   / L6060HSTCC #21  
In that case, it is about a known mechanical issue rather than age, so an earlier model may be more value than newer. The Kubota L40 Series had L40-1, L40-2 and L40-3. It had minor change and some liked the earlier model over the newer ones

I bought an L5740HSTC to avoid the improvements of the L6060 and at this point, I would pay more for an "older" tractor than "newer". My L5030HSTIC trade in was sold before it was prepped for sale.
 
   / L6060HSTCC #22  
The dealer insult was as follows: I bought a used 2015 Massey 1749 HST cab from him a month ago. Last week I did a part search on the Agco parts site and typed in the serial number to see the right parts diagrams. The AGCO site spits out information on the tractor that says the warranty started July of 2015 and ends July of 2020 and the tractor is a 2013 model year not 2015.

I think people are using terms in ways that they don't quite work in the tractor world. Tractors do have models, the model doesn't change every year. So arguably a 2013 tractor may still be current in 2014, maybe even 2015 if no changes have been made. My Apple Macbook is known as a "Macbook Pro, late 2016" as that's when that model was first made. But Macbooks made in early 2017 also have that same model designation - there isn't a "Macbook Pro, early 2017" model, and if I'd bought my Macbook in 2017 I wouldn't get to complain that they'd somehow sold me a 2016 laptop. So to me, there's a difference between:
- model year - which to me is the year that model was first made (in your case sounds like it's 2013)
- build year - which is when the tractor was built. It's not clear to me what that date is for your tractor - could be 2013, 2014, 2015
- purchase year - which is when it was sold new, and therefore when the warranty starts. Sounds like yours is 2015

I don't think model year is a reason to complain. Tractor models don't change every year, so unless there was a 2014 or 2015 new model, then the fact that the model year is 2013 doesn't impact anything. That model may have been built in 2014 or 2015.

I think build year is a little bit something to complain about, there's a difference between a 2013 built tractor and a 2015 built tractor, but so long as the model year didn't change, not that much difference. Unless the dealer specifically told you it was built in 2015, then if it was a 2013 model, built in 2014, and sold new in 2015, and they tell you it's a 2015 tractor, well, that's correct in the tractor world. Unless you specifically ask what year it was built, or what model year it was, then you won't get that specific answer (and it's correct to say most people don't care - what matters is what year someone started using it, as that's what's considered "how old it is").

I was not happy and went to the dealer to see what he intended to do about the misinformation and was basically told they didn't see that as an issue and didn't want to do anything. I was PO'd and said that was not acceptable. I paid for a 2015 and got a 2013. I made 3 offers to resolve this. One was for them to give me what I paid for the tractor as a trade in value on the new Kubota. Today they offered me $1,000 less than what I paid. They misrepresent the tractors age and then to make things right they will take the tractor back, if I give them another $1,000. I'm still fuming over this. I've already put about $2,200 into the Massey and now they want me to give them that plus another $1,000 for the pleasure of buying one of their new tractors for $30,800 more.

By the way I really liked the tractor but not the treadle pedal.

It's not clear when you bought the tractor, but I'm assuming you didn't have it since new, but have had it for long enough to have spent money on it - so you bought in 2016 or 17? From the dealer's viewpoint, you've had the tractor for a couple years, and they're offering you most of what you paid for it. It'd be pretty rare for a dealer to take a tractor back at the exact same price you paid, you've used it for a while (it has more hours, more wear, it's older), and they do usually try to make a margin. They also have costs in prepping a tractor for sale - they won't just take it from you and stick it straight on the lot, at a minimum they'll have the apprentice clean it, they may fix minor issues as well.

What did you spend $2,200 on? Just servicing / wear and tear, or have you added features to it? That would impact whether it's now worth more.

Bottom line, I'll go out on a limb and say that I think you might be asking too much. You bought a tractor you were happy with, used it for a while, you took it back to your dealer looking for an upgrade. You found a paperwork thing that feels a bit funny to you, but strictly speaking in the tractor world they probably gave you correct information. The dealer's offered you $1,000 less than you paid, which is a pretty good deal, so in my book they've come very close for something that they may not see as a real issue at all (i.e. when they finish talking to you they probably go out the back and say "what's up with that guy?") I actually think they're being pretty reasonable, and if they're your closest dealer and the only problem you have with them is this 2013 v's 2015 thing, I'd say that might not be a real thing, and maybe you should move past it.
 
   / L6060HSTCC
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#23  
The tractor was built in 2013. The first owner bought it in 2015.

I bought it less than 2 months ago.

The $2,200 I spent on it does not increase it's value. $500 was for fluid and filter changes and $1,700 was to replace a defective valve.
 
   / L6060HSTCC #24  
Hmm. Two months is a bit different - that's getting into the territory of swapping it for another one because it wasn't quite right - and it wasn't a new tractor, so price shouldn't have changed materially in two months. Even so, $1,000 for the use of the machine for two months isn't too bad. But at that point I do think someone about to sell you $30K of bigger tractor might come to an arrangement.
 
   / L6060HSTCC
  • Thread Starter
#25  
Hmm. Two months is a bit different - that's getting into the territory of swapping it for another one because it wasn't quite right - and it wasn't a new tractor, so price shouldn't have changed materially in two months. Even so, $1,000 for the use of the machine for two months isn't too bad. But at that point I do think someone about to sell you $30K of bigger tractor might come to an arrangement.

after talking to 2 other dealers, I'm over the difference in years. The original selling dealer said the tractor was ordered in 2013, received in 2014 and sold in 2015. He said the difference had no impact on the value of the tractor. A second dealer said the year is a consideration but the industry considers the year of the tractor to be the year they receive it. So this tractor would be a 2014 and that would not affect his offer. He also told me the book value of the tractor is $38,000 and then offered me $30,000 on a trade for a $65,000 tractor.

I believe the Kubota dealer that sold me the Massey is trying to get back the $2,500 he put into the first deal with me. During my test drive of the tractor I discovered the loader valve was sticking and wouldn't return to neutral. They said it was no big deal. So we worked out a deal that included trading in my MF1547. But that sticky valve was gnawing at me so I went to the local Massey dealer and talked to the service manager. He found a service bulletin that indicated the problem could be a simple adjustment, sticky cable or defective valve. The cost of the valve was $2,200 plus installation and taxes. So I went back to the Kubota dealer and told him of my findings. I said I'm not going ahead with the deal unless I know that valve is not defective. Their service guys checked it out and found the valve was defective. I said the deals off unless they fix it at their cost. The salesman was PO'd and called the Regional Manager in to discuss the situation. He eventually agreed to spend no more than $2,500 to replace the valve. They replace it and the we closed on the deal. That $2,500 came out of their profit and now I am sure they are trying to get it back with the new deal.
 
   / L6060HSTCC #26  
Hillbilly, I’m right there with ya on all accounts.

I just have a comment/opinion on this “year model makes no difference in tractors” thing.
I call bullchit on that and no one will convince me otherwise.

There will always be a difference in anything with an engine and tires that sits after it’s built.
Too many variables come in to play.
2 Tractors at a Dealership today, April 2019
One was built in April 2016 and delivered to dealer.
One was built in April 2018 and delivered to dealer.

Have they been kept under cover?
Are the fluids as they came from factory ?
Did the dealer keep up with fluids, battery, move the **** thing around so the tires don’t get flat spots?

Tractor been on the lot, out in the weather, being hammered with sunshine and bird$hit, maybe fired up a half dozen times in 3 yrs, and maybe most of those times were some jake leg salesman showing it to a possible buyer, crank it up and revving on a cold engine, shut it down.

I say there is a difference in years built for tractors when it comes down to me paying for one.

On the other hand......
how is one to be certain of how a dealership treated a brand spanking new 2 week old unit.:confused3:
 
   / L6060HSTCC #27  
Wow....this is an interesting thread.....but I'll get back to the original question.

I have a 2016 Grand L6060 HSTC purchased new in October 2016. It has about 300 hours on it now.

I really like it. The cab is roomy and comfortable. It is the largest HST tractor that I looked at and it has a CAT 2 three point hitch which I needed.

Things I don't like about it are
1. No toolbox and no option to add one. I plan to get a canvas tool bag to put behind the seat
2. If you add the factory 3rd function option, the hoses hang very low to the ground.
3. If you have the 3 point hitch all the way up, the front end loader doesn't work properly. I just move the 3ph lever down a hair and it works properly. I think it just needs a small adjustment.
4. The only time I've noticed a lack of power is going up hill in road gear.

The 'one button' control panel has not been an issue for me. I just set it when I got it and haven't fooled with it since.

I use it to make money. It is part of my business fleet and it has served me well so far.
Overall I am happy with it, and I have not had to return it to the dealer for any reason so far.
 
   / L6060HSTCC #28  
Wow....this is an interesting thread.....but I'll get back to the original question.

I have a 2016 Grand L6060 HSTC purchased new in October 2016. It has about 300 hours on it now.

I really like it. The cab is roomy and comfortable. It is the largest HST tractor that I looked at and it has a CAT 2 three point hitch which I needed.

Things I don't like about it are
1. No toolbox and no option to add one. I plan to get a canvas tool bag to put behind the seat
2. If you add the factory 3rd function option, the hoses hang very low to the ground.
3. If you have the 3 point hitch all the way up, the front end loader doesn't work properly. I just move the 3ph lever down a hair and it works properly. I think it just needs a small adjustment.
4. The only time I've noticed a lack of power is going up hill in road gear.

The 'one button' control panel has not been an issue for me. I just set it when I got it and haven't fooled with it since.

I use it to make money. It is part of my business fleet and it has served me well so far.
Overall I am happy with it, and I have not had to return it to the dealer for any reason so far.

Paul Short has built some really nice guards for the third function as well as much improved steps. I got some steps for my L5740HSTC and they are top notch as is all his stuff.
Mods# 2 & #3 Kubota 6:cool: - YouTube
 
   / L6060HSTCC #29  
Paul Short has built some really nice guards for the third function as well as much improved steps. I got some steps for my L5740HSTC and they are top notch as is all his stuff.
Mods# 2 & #3 Kubota 66 - YouTube

I have seen his mods before, but I didn't realize he actually sells them. I thought he just made them for his own tractor. I'm going to check my tractor and see if his 3rd function guard will fit my tractor. I'm sure it will....if my dealer installed it properly.
 
   / L6060HSTCC
  • Thread Starter
#30  
Wow....this is an interesting thread.....but I'll get back to the original question.

I have a 2016 Grand L6060 HSTC purchased new in October 2016. It has about 300 hours on it now.

I really like it. The cab is roomy and comfortable. It is the largest HST tractor that I looked at and it has a CAT 2 three point hitch which I needed.

Things I don't like about it are
1. No toolbox and no option to add one. I plan to get a canvas tool bag to put behind the seat
2. If you add the factory 3rd function option, the hoses hang very low to the ground.
3. If you have the 3 point hitch all the way up, the front end loader doesn't work properly. I just move the 3ph lever down a hair and it works properly. I think it just needs a small adjustment.
4. The only time I've noticed a lack of power is going up hill in road gear.

The 'one button' control panel has not been an issue for me. I just set it when I got it and haven't fooled with it since.

I use it to make money. It is part of my business fleet and it has served me well so far.
Overall I am happy with it, and I have not had to return it to the dealer for any reason so far.

Thanks for the info.

I noticed the difference in the cab room as well and could feel the difference when turning sideways to look out the back. Like when running a rear mount snow blower. The extra room made it feel less restricted and a little more comfy.

I had the same issue you noted in 3) above, with my MF1547. The reason for the loader not working right when the 3PTH is all the way is that it was going into relief. At least that was the issue with my tractor. You're right it was just a matter of adjusting the linkage on the 3PTH and the problem went away.

I've contacted one more dealer and will see what he comes up with for pricing and trade in. Then it's decision time.

One more thing that came up over the weekend. After my test drive I told the salesman I didn't really want the options and wanted R4's not the R1's. When I was in their office all I looked at was the price and trade value on their offer. I never got past that to look at the details of the offer. However now looking at it I see some red flags. The salesman said this tractor came with extra options, one being the air ride seat and the second being LED lights. He said that added up to $1,500. I don't want either of those and certainly don't want to pay an additional $1,500 for them. The offer they made did not include a list of options and I'm pretty sure the lights on the cab were not LED but it did have a radio so I'm thinking that was the second option and not the lights. BUT the offer also lists the AG tires not R4's, as requested and the loader is shown separately with this notation "W/O Bucket". I sent him and email hoping this was a mistake, not intentional. The tractor I test drove had the loader and bucket. If they intentionally tried to sneak the bucket deletion past me then I am dealing with the wrong outfit. If it was a mistake then I need to be very careful about reading their future offers and make sure everything is clearly spelled out.
 

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