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Bird

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We're considering the possibility of getting an LCD television to set on the fireplace mantel (very likely never light a fire in the fireplace). This Magnavox looks about right; that is, everything except the price. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif What are the opinions about the reliability of something like this?
 
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Bird,

We've been looking at 32" LCDs at Sam's. They run from 1K to about 1.6K. What's stopping me now is the idea that even if we get an LCD HDTV monitor, we're still stuck with very little HDTV signal to look at. We're limited to satelite, and I think we would have to pay quite a bit extra for HD content. Wait until we do something, and then you will be able to buy something much better, at half the price, and get HD signals free.

Chuck
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Wait until we do something, and then you will be able to buy something much better, at half the price, and get HD signals free )</font>

I can identify with that, Chuck. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif We have Dish Network satellite TV. And I, too, looked at what Sam's Club has. I'd just rather buy from a place that has a service facility, although I don't really know that would make any difference. We really aren't concerned about HD except that I figure if I buy a TV, it probably should have that capability. We're just thinking about getting a new TV for two or three reasons:

(1) the Dish Network remote has instructions for programming it so it will also work the TV. That worked fine on the little 20" Magnavox in the bedroom, but will not work on the 27" Philips Magnavox in the living room, /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

(2) the 27" Philips Magnavox is apparently still a good TV, but it does take longer to warm up than it used to take, so my wife thinks it may be on its last legs, and

(3) perhaps the most important reason is this house we just bought has a very small living room with a corner fireplace. We have been unable to figure any satisfactory way to arrange our existing furniture to comfortably watch TV. But the current arrangement would be just fine if the TV were over the fireplace instead of being off to the left of the fireplace. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Naturally, I can't set this big old conventional TV on a 9" fireplace mantel. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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I too have been considering it for the same as your #3.

Although I havent come to need it yet, so have little time invested in research. I have heard that the LCD's are a better investment thatn the plasma. The reason is that both have a life expectancy in hours. Apparently, the LCD is near double. Make sure you ask about that when looking at them.
 
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The current issue of Consumers Report has a review of flat panel TVs, including LCDs.
 
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Bird, we use over 100 LCD projectors for our classrooms at SimuFlite. We started with them almost 10 years ago and the latest technology is pretty darn good. Projectors are different in design than a TV screen or monitor, but they all share the LCD as the core technology. The only negative I've heard on the LCDs as far as TV goes is long pixel persistency. It causes some small amount of streaking when objects move fast across the screen. So if you are watching NASCAR instead of a tractor pull, you may notice the streaking. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I have HD on DishNetwork at my house now and it is spectacular. Movies and sports events are a whole new dimension of clarity. For $9.95 a month, I think I'll stick with it. We have about six channels of HD and normally we can find a few programs to watch. The outdoors programs are my favorite, with sports next. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Monster Garage I can live without.
 
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Jack, there's certainly a LOT of information there. Unfortunately, much of it is far above my head. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I would just like something smaller and lighter with a decent picture and sound to watch TV and maybe occasionally watch a DVD or VCR cassette, but the more I read, the more it sounds like higher prices and shorter life than the old fashioned TVs.
 
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I agree the LCD are poor for Tv; but that is if you get a cheaper LCD projector. I had a 800x600 years ago and was ok. I then got a Epson Powerlite ( up to 1280 x 1024). And boy, night and day here. Nice ones are about $3K to $6K

I know the movie screen helping another 100%. No hot spots and looks much better.
 
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Maybe I am the wrong person to post on this but Magnavox????

I would buy a NEC, Sony, Toshiba, Sharp, Olevia etc.
 
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Bird,

Last year I bought one of the magnavox's from walmart. I put it in the horse trailer and it has held up just fine. I would think that would be a pretty big test for one to go flying up and down the road getting bounced around alot. The one I got was a 20" and it was $299.
 
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Bird - I have never owned an LCD monitor, but seeing them in the stores they seem to have good picture quality. UNLESS you get off to the side. Then the picture quality seems to fall off rapidly. A very narrow viewing angle. Check that out next time you look at one and think about how you will be viewing it in your home. We ended up buying a DLP for that reason, but we did not need to hang it on the wall or mantle either. The plasma was way more than I wanted to pay.
 
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LCD vs Plasma vs DLP ... vs what's next? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I don't have to make a decision for a few more years yet ... but I'm hoping the old BETA vs VHS thing will sort itself out by then. A guy I work with just bought a 42" DLP - the one failing in it is the light bulb ... guess it burns out in about 4 years. ? Course by the time beta vs vhs starts to sort out - they'll come out with dvd............. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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I've heard of DLP, but don't know what that is. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I guess I could go buy one and that should make'em obsolete real quick. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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DLP is digital light processing and has really been hyped lately. Ours does have a great picture. I don't know exactly how it works, but it does have a very bright lamp in the back. That lamp is fan cooled and the fan continues to run for a few minutes after you turn the TV off. It is almost essential that you have a small UPS (uninterruptable power supply) in case your power goes off while you are watching TV. Losing power to the TV while the lamp is hot will greatly shorten the lamp life. We have had ours for several years. We had a power outage shortly after we got it and the lamp burned out a few days later. But they replaced it under warranty. Now if we have a power outage, we turn off the TV and let the UPS keep the fan running until it cools and no further problems.
The really odd thing about it is that it looks basically like a CRT type TV though not quite as deep. But even at 42" screen, I can easily pick it up by myself and move it around. And my back ain't what it used to be. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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The Consumer Reports article has a short explanation of each technology, their Pros and Cons, e.g., LCDs and viewing angle, Plasma and weight and heat, etc. as well as the approximate price range.
 
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I haven't looked at a Consumer Reports magazine in a long time; guess I need to pick one up, but I'm thinking more all the time that the best thing to do is just keep using what we've got. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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We have a DLP as well and I love it. A DLP definitely will not mount on the wall though (at least not aware of any) as they are pretty thick, but light. My wife and I carried our 52" DLP upstairs, which includes a 90 degree turn in the stairs, and set it in place our selves.

The DLP uses a single cannon/light source and works by "flipping" thousands of tiny mirrors on a semiconductor chip. Color is generated by shining a light through a rotating color wheel that has red, green, and blue (or individual color wheels) on it. The colored beam hits the semiconductor chip to create the image used for projection. There is a fan that keeps the bulb cool, but sometimes the sound that is mistaken for the fan blowing is actually the color wheel turning. Seems like I read once where the color wheel(s) can turn at up to 10K RPMs. Unless you are up close, which you do not want to be due to pixelization on a big screen, you can’t hear this – at least not on our Sumsung.

If wanting to mount on a wall, the LCD or plasma is the way to go. The plasmas are expensive but you can get two or three years out of them before noticing picture degradation. The LCDs are coming down in price and you can get up to 5 years out of them before the picture starts to degrade. The plasmas can go up to about a 60” (I think) but the LCDs go up only to 40”. I have read though that not all plasmas can faithfully reproduce the HDTV signal. Want to check and make sure of the resolution if interested in HDTV. Both the LCD and Plasma have “poor black level presentation”, meaning that black and very dark colors are not rendered clearly which can affect overall picture quality. Both can suffer from burn-in if a picture or background is paused or left projected for a long time (pausing a DVD, video games, etc.).

Once again, we really like our DLP. If you do not have to hang from a wall and have the room I feel like the DLP is the way to go – even if the DLP and plasma were the same price. I am to understand the DLP bulbs will last three to five years then it costs about $400 to $600 to replace. The semi-conductors last for up to 25 years. The picture quality is excellent – especially for HDTV and DVDs. Regular broadcast channels and you can see, it’s not terribly noticeable as my wife never sees it, some of the “green effect” that DLPs are known for - inability to render various green shades clearly. DLPs are also known for "rainbow effect" where if you focus on a particular area you will see red & blue haloes around other parts of the screen due to the "strobing" of the color wheel. This use to be real issue when the DLPs first came out, but, I believe as the semi-conductors have gotten better this has greatly diminished. The best way to check is just go to a store, get normal distance away and stare at a particular spot on the screen. Let your eyes go out of focus and see if you notice this effect. When we bought ours a couple of years ago it was hard for me to find DLPs that would do this to where it was really noticeable.

One thing I will pass on though. When I bought our DLP it had I think 12 inputs: (3) each composite (RCA type jacks) and S-video, (2) BNC/Antenna, (3) Component (R/G/B) and (1) PCI/DMI for computer. When I got it I thought, this is overkill – will never need since majority of connections will go to my surround sound receiver. But, after a few years I am using almost all of them, so get as many as you can.

TV’s are like tractors. Figure out what you need and want in one, check out a few and then get what best suits your needs and what you will be happy with. What works for me may not work for the next guy, so, I will only pass on what I have learned – and help you spend a little money /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Eddie
 
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Things to know

First, check with the manufacturer: many times the specs on TV as showm in electronics stores are deceptive. For example a TV may be called HD which is not, in fact, HD, but which can accept (but not display) HD signals.

Second, understand that flat panel display technologies are more or less, irreparable. That means that pretty much, these things are replace on failure.

Finally, 'flat panel' televisions are rarely actually wall mounted on account of the challenges with cablling. A modern TV requires a pile of cables and such to work. Plus, you have to mount DVD players, and so forth, farely close to the TV because there are all kinds of limits on how far a signal can be piped over a cable.

Oh yeah, and a lot of folk tell you don't mount over a fireplace, but I am not sure how valid that commentary is.
 
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I agree. I know my LCD Epson bulbs goes by hours not years. Most are like 2500 hours to 3000 hours max; then $300 +/- for a new bulb.

That is a lot of views of Blazzing Saddles, History of the World, etc. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So far, I would not buy another TV unless it is smaller them a shoe box!
 

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