legality of tractors on the road

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Bob_Trevithick

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Williamson, NY (near Rochester)
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JD 4300 MFWD
I wonder if anyone can tell me what the NYS law says about driving our tractors on the road?

I know most of us do it.. helping to plow out neighbors after snow storms, moving to other fields, and so on.

I'm not sure what the actual law says.. afterall, this seems like operation of an unregistered motor vehicle on the highway.

I searched the net, but couldn't find anything that seemed pertinent.

Thanks....

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Bob Trevithick
 
   / legality of tractors on the road #2  
<font color=blue>... helping to plow out neighbors after snow storms,</font color=blue>

I know this wasn't the subject of your question but make sure your home owners insurance covers this Good Samaritan activity. Mine (State Farm) did not.


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<font color=blue>>make sure your home owners insurance covers this Good Samaritan activity.</font color=blue>

Good thought! I just send an email to my insurance agent to double check on this.

Thanks!

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Bob Trevithick
 
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It depends on what you mean by driving tractors on the road. If you're commuting to your office, you may get in trouble. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif. I believe that as long as you use your flashers and have the triangular warning sign on your tractor then you should be legal.

Terry
 
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Not sure about NY, but here in Vermont it's a gray area. The police say "it's not entirely legal," unless I'm travelling between two pieces of property that I own. On the other hand, provided I avoid peak tourism periods, they tend to wave as they pass me. In fact, the only time they pulled me over was to ask me use my FEL to move something heavy out of the road! And the hospitality industry seems to love it; sort of a reminder to their guests that we are still largely aggie.

So I do drive thru the village to help my friends on the other side of the valley, but with conspicuous use of flashers, lights, hand signals and that lovely bright orange paint!

Pete

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   / legality of tractors on the road #6  
Might want to do a search, this topic of taking your tractor on the road has been discussed at length before.

BobT.
A Indiana Boy
 
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Okay, after searching TBN, I called both the NY State Police and the Department of Motor Vehicles, and both were in agreement. There's no need for any registration, provided it's not a commercial venture. As an aside, my insurance agent said that I'm covered if anything happens, for example during plowing the neighbor's driveway, but they do check to make sure no money exchanged hands.

Of course I have nothing in writing from the police or DMV, but I think it's safe to assume that, given all of the above, NYS police won't hassle us for limited, reasonable, safe driving as long as we aren't out on the Interstate.

Whew. The lady at DMV had to spend almost an hour running around asking, so I guess it isn't surprising that we poor citizens aren't entirely clear on the laws about this. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

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Bob Trevithick
 
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Thats good to know. I have been driveing my Ingersll back and forth between my land, and my moms house. I have had a trooper drive by. Looked at me strange, but did not stop me

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To the "other" Bob T ---

Right, you can just drive your tractor around, but make sure you follow the safety requirements.

The insurance angle, though ... I would certainly "get it in writing" from your agent, and even go and read your policy to MAKE SURE what you propose to do is not excluded.

Even though you may be covered by a homeowner's policy, if you plan to do a lot of side work, it would probably be wise to get a specific policy. Elsewhere on TBN these policies seem to go as either a rider or separate policy in the $100-300 range per year, depending.

BobT.
A Indiana Boy
 
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I also live in NY. My understanding you're covered as long as you have an SMV. I live in farm country and get a wave anytime I see the county sheriff or state police.
 
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Licensing and Insurance are related in MA

I have read a number of posts regarding licensing and insurance, and for me (in Massachusetts) they are interdependent. Here is why.

I intend to do VERY part time project-oriented work (for pay, barter, and for free because I am a good neighbor or a sucker) for people who live within a mile or so of my house. I have a full time job working at home as a self-employed technical writer and have flexible hours, so I can pop over and do a few hours of work when needed. But I don't want to get into the tractoring business full time; nor do I want to replace any of the hard working people out there mowing lawns or plowing snow. Only special projects that no one else is doing for folks. But I want to be insured for both loss and liability.

I don't have a heavy-duty truck & trailer, so I must drive on the road to get around. Bottom line is if I want the tractor insured, it has to be titled and licensed as a commercial vehicle in MA.

Here is how my agent broke it down. There are two policies (owners and auto) from two insurance companies.

1) Liability for damage on a job site (or even a nonpaying neighbor's "job") to a customer's property is covered under the owners policy ($100,000/$300,000).
2) Liability for other property and vehicles while driving on the road is covered under the auto policy.
3) Accidental damage to tractor and attached implements (including rollover while working) is covered under the auto policy, subject to the deductible of $1000.
4) Accidental damage to tractor and attached implements while driving on the road is covered under the auto policy, subject to the deductible of $1000.
5) Theft and fire to tractor and attached implements is covered under the auto policy, subject to the deductible of $1000.

Originally the owners policy also covered theft and damage to implements that are not attached to the tractor, but I removed this coverage (an extra $500/year) because I don't think someone will steal 500 lb implements. More likely, they would steal the tractor with whatever is attached to it, and for this I am covered (for the cost of the tractor plus the most expensive front and rear attachments possible). This risk I am willing to take!

The cost for licensing the tractor as a commercial vehicle was $122/year. There will be excise tax coming as well, but I don't know what that will be. I have a license plate that I wired to the bottom of my removable SMV tag so I can leave it off if not on the road.

The cost for the auto policy is $924/year.

The cost for the owners policy is $663/year. Based on the insurance company's minimal income bracket of $40K/year (in my dreams!).

I also have a business policy for my writing business, but the owners policy for the "landscaping" business (this is the closest category the insurance company has) could not be combined as the businesses are so different. So they are written separately. And, the tractor could not be considered another vehicle under my current 2-car auto policy.

I realize I may be over-insured, but once you put the tractor on the road or on someone else's property, you open yourself up to all sorts of nasty possibilities that I want a degree of protection from. I will in fact spend more on insurance than I make this year, but that is the price of admission in my mind.

I know I didn't answer the question about NY laws, but I think the issue is larger than just whether or not it is legal to drive on the road unlicensed, or not.

Who invited the party pooper (me!)?
 
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Re: Licensing and Insurance are related in MA

Kent,

I do not consider your post a "party pooper" at all. Very careful considerations regarding the issues involved in tractor useage and insuring. Maybe many folks will opt to hope they are covered or get by on the minimum. But hey, people sue over any and every thing these days. I like your conservative approach. IMO it is very important that a new tractor owner be aware of all these issues. Good and needful post.

BobT.
A Indiana Boy
 
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Straight from the NYS vehicle and traffic law. I've posted this before but it was a while ago....

125. Motor vehicles
Every vehicle operated or driven upon a public highway which is propelled
by any power other than muscular power, except (a) electrically-driven
mobility assistance devices operated or driven by a person with a
disability, (b) vehicles which run only upon rails or tracks, (c)
snowmobiles as defined in article forty-seven of this chapter, and (d) all
terrain vehicles as defined in article forty-eight-B of this chapter. For
the purposes of title four, the term motor vehicle shall exclude fire and
police vehicles other than ambulances. For the purposes of titles four and
five the term motor vehicles shall exclude farm type tractors and all
terrain type vehicles used exclusively for agricultural purposes, or for
snow plowing, other than for hire, farm equipment, including
self-propelled machines used exclusively in growing, harvesting or
handling farm produce, and self-propelled caterpillar or crawler-type
equipment while being operated on the contract site.

So it's not a motor vehicle.
 
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And, in Neuevo Hillarea, formerly called New York, the insurance angle works like this. Tractors are fully covered under your homeowners insurance, as long as they are used exclusively for the maintainence of your property. Translated into English, that means if you plow snow in your driveway, and have a mower for the machine, it's covered. If you farm with the tractor you have ti insure it seperately. If you use the tractor to plow driveways, you'll need tractor insurance and business insurance if you aren't plowing for free, and you'll also need a rider for damage to driveways done in the course of plowing. So, you just explain to IRS you can't be making income cause the insurance company took all your money.
 
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It's a state question. You might try calling the state DMV for a definitive answer. In NH you need flashers, a SMV sign, and you have to be registered and display a plate. But that says nothing about what New York's laws are.
 
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Every state would have their own interpretation. Here's the link to Michigan's if anyone is interested (you have to look through the manual). http://www.sos.state.mi.us/pamphlet/wedmk/wedmk.pdf

I live in a rural area, which has been growing far too quickly. I've actually thought about taking a day off of work and driving around the busy streets (and slowing down traffic) during rush hours just to tick off the city slickers.
 
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Funny that this question should come up this week.

Thursday I was on the north side of Raleigh, NC. There is mucho construction in that part of town and I was on the main north-south road into downtown. The road is 5 or so lanes across in both directions. I was getting ready to turn right on the road and I looked left. As I looked up the road my mouth dropped. Moving down the road was a huge JD tractor, I'm sure it was a 9000 series, towing one of the huge ground grader machines. The grader had transport tires and the tractor was running some sort of Ag tire that looked to be four to five feet wide. The driver could not keep the tractor and "attachment" in one lane! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif He would keep the right tires on the right yellow/white line but the left side of the tractor would be in the other lane.

He managed to keep up with me for a couple of miles since there are plenty of traffic lights which are not synched. The last I saw of him, he was making a left turn on a smaller road! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I'm glad I was not going down that road! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif In either direction!

My memory is hazy but I did not think construction equipment could be transported in that manner..... I'm sure he made it to the new job site though.

Later...
Dan McCarty
 
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I don't think, I'd want to argue with that mammoth... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

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I did a quick check at the JD site and those 9xxx tractors are awesome! /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

$110,000 (280 hp) - $195,000 (425 hp) base price
17 tons
5' - 11' width

The biggest NH (210 hp) doesn't come close. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

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I was talking to my dealer about the 9000s a while back.

He said a couple of interesting things. One was that the construction guys liked to buy them and attach the pan scapper to the tractor instead of buying one of the dedicated heavy equipment scrappers. The JD and its "attachment" was a much cheaper package I have seen a couple 9000s and scappers working around here.

The second interesting thing the dealer said was the cost. And I'm not talking the cost of the tractor either! But the cost to service this bad boy. I think the hydraulic fluid change took one or two 55 gallon drums. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif A fluid and filter change was 100's of dollars. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I just got a new Ford F350. I think the think needs 3.5 gallons of oil and the filter was $16. I did a quick check and the oil change is going to cost around $50 just for the oil and filter. YIKES! Don't want to think about what to do with a 9000! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Course I guess if you can afford the 9000 you can afford the oil! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Later....
Dan
 

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