lift capacity numbers

[1930]

I have a copy I got on line of the fel. It has a lot of specs just don't understand how to read them.

I'll post some pages this evening when I'm home.

I want to work within the tractor limitations

 

[1930]

12.16 #274 Mechanical Thumb on Subcompact Tractor, Useful or Pointless? - YouTube

 

[Jchonline]

12.16 #274 Mechanical Thumb on Subcompact Tractor, Useful or Pointless? - YouTube

Using the backhoe for lifting and transporting logs will work if the size is right. The backhoe痴 lift capacities are typically much less than the FEL. Keep the log close to the back of the tractor to keep the weight close. Don稚 lift it higher than you have to. Watch out for obstacles in your path that the log could catch on (especially as it is now behind your field of view on the backhoe). As you can see it isn稚 the best setup but for a small log it should work. Yes and you will need a thumb. Probably cheaper to just get pallet forks.

The best thing to use if you dont have a grapple is pallet forks. Space them apart as wide as they will go before picking up a log. Make sure the log is balanced well, and go slow.

 

[CobyRupert]

The best thing to use if you dont have a grapple is pallet forks. Space them apart as wide as they will go before picking up a log. Make sure the log is balanced well, and go slow.

:thumbsup:

Pallet forks and their frame that take the place of the bucket will weigh about 250lbs, however you've lost the weight of the bucket and they will get the logs very close to the pins so you can use most of the full FEL rating unlike hanging something off the front of the bucket out and away from the pins.

From TractorData for L2501:

Loader:
Loader type: Kubota LA525
Height (to pin): 94.3 inches [239 cm]
Lift to full height (at pin): 1131 lbs [513 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at pin): 1490 lbs [675 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at 500mm): 1182 lbs [536 kg]

Note that the "at 500mm" rating means this is the weight that the loader (or tractor*) can lift when the load is 500mm (20") out in front of the pins. This is the rating that may be typical for a loaded bucket that is out in front of the pins.

*: For the most part it's the setting of the hydraulic relief valve in the tractor that limits the loader's maximum lift. If you have more pressure you can lift more....or break something.

 

[rScotty]

I have a copy I got on line of the fel. It has a lot of specs just don't understand how to read them.

I'll post some pages this evening when I'm home.

I want to work within the tractor limitations

Yes, it would help if you post the pages. BTW, if this is your first time posting pictures to TBN you may need some help with that. Don't be afraid to ask.

We did a lot of forest work and got in all of our firewood for many years with a little tractor and FEL about the size of the B6100 because that is what fit the terrain best. So it can be done. We found that the limiting factor was not the FEL lift - there was plenty of lift. The limit was stability. Our little Yanmar got really unstable side to side even with a heavy box blade and weight on the 3pt. We fixed that by going to wide turf tires and also widening the way the wheels mounted to the axles to get it as wide as it would go.

For lifting, you always want to lift as close to the front of the tractor as you can. Sometimes that means replacing the bucket with something else, or cutting down the sides of the bucket so that logs can be carried closer to the front arms of the loader. If you can get the load close to the bottom of the loader arms where the bucket fits, but without the bucket itself - then it will lift twice as much and be more stable as well.
luck, rScotty

 

[sd455dan]

I have a copy I got on line of the fel. It has a lot of specs just don't understand how to read them.

I'll post some pages this evening when I'm home.

I want to work within the tractor limitations

One other thing to consider -although an un common scenario...

If you mount a heavy weight on the back of your 3 point and have grabbed a bunch of logs with the FEL AND left it up in the air-

AND then

Stack more wood on it , there is no pressure relief other than blowing a hose or seal...

The relief valve is not in circuit when the FEL joystick is centered. It only comes into play when the pump is supplying pressure to the cylinders.

Another way this can happen ... I popped a lift cylinder hose on my tractor when digging one time.
had pried into some concrete like white clay that was partially frozen and left the joystick centered while driving forward in 4x4
made one heck of a boom and lost quite a bit of oil to, just something to keep in mind.

As others have said -if it won't lift it , it is to heavy.

ps for lifting /stacking


Clamp or chain on Forks will get you started or a quick attach set of pallet forks , I usually stick with the grapple most of the time

Chain on forks in link and last pic - were under $250 all in and rated for 3000lbs. https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...let-forks-debris-forks-branch-removal-001-jpg

 

[s219]

I wondering what you guys can suggest to me so that I can stack my logs/ trees that I have cut down.

I have acres of pines about 60-70' tall. When I need to clear an area, I drop the trees, limb them, then use a rope and fairlead (pulley mounted up in another tree) to get the logs out of the woods. I normally drag the trees out whole so they are laying across my driveway, but sometimes I buck them beforehand. I generally buck them into 8-16' sections and lift them with clamp-on forks on my front loader. Drive them over to a pile and dump them. For skinny trees I might buck into 16' sections since they are light and won't twist the loader around. If I have to drive through my 16', gate I cut the logs to 15', don't ask why....

 

[1930]

Using the backhoe for lifting and transporting logs will work if the size is right. The backhoe痴 lift capacities are typically much less than the FEL. Keep the log close to the back of the tractor to keep the weight close. Don稚 lift it higher than you have to. Watch out for obstacles in your path that the log could catch on (especially as it is now behind your field of view on the backhoe). As you can see it isn稚 the best setup but for a small log it should work. Yes and you will need a thumb. Probably cheaper to just get pallet forks.

The best thing to use if you dont have a grapple is pallet forks. Space them apart as wide as they will go before picking up a log. Make sure the log is balanced well, and go slow.

There is a pallet fork/grapple combo avail for a little over 2000 dollars, forget who is offer that, its on E-bay. I just bought the tractor, close to 30,000 dollars, I need to not spend more money right now, I need to work with what I have for the time being but it is on my list.

:thumbsup:

Pallet forks and their frame that take the place of the bucket will weigh about 250lbs, however you've lost the weight of the bucket and they will get the logs very close to the pins so you can use most of the full FEL rating unlike hanging something off the front of the bucket out and away from the pins.

From TractorData for L2501:

Loader:
Loader type: Kubota LA525
Height (to pin): 94.3 inches [239 cm]
Lift to full height (at pin): 1131 lbs [513 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at pin): 1490 lbs [675 kg]
Lift to 1.5m (at 500mm): 1182 lbs [536 kg]

Note that the "at 500mm" rating means this is the weight that the loader (or tractor*) can lift when the load is 500mm (20") out in front of the pins. This is the rating that may be typical for a loaded bucket that is out in front of the pins.

*: For the most part it's the setting of the hydraulic relief valve in the tractor that limits the loader's maximum lift. If you have more pressure you can lift more....or break something.

I was wondering if the relief valve just wouldnt allow it to overlift?

Yes, it would help if you post the pages. BTW, if this is your first time posting pictures to TBN you may need some help with that. Don't be afraid to ask.

We did a lot of forest work and got in all of our firewood for many years with a little tractor and FEL about the size of the B6100 because that is what fit the terrain best. So it can be done. We found that the limiting factor was not the FEL lift - there was plenty of lift. The limit was stability. Our little Yanmar got really unstable side to side even with a heavy box blade and weight on the 3pt. We fixed that by going to wide turf tires and also widening the way the wheels mounted to the axles to get it as wide as it would go.

For lifting, you always want to lift as close to the front of the tractor as you can. Sometimes that means replacing the bucket with something else, or cutting down the sides of the bucket so that logs can be carried closer to the front arms of the loader. If you can get the load close to the bottom of the loader arms where the bucket fits, but without the bucket itself - then it will lift twice as much and be more stable as well.
luck, rScotty

Id like to have a second bucket I could cut out

One other thing to consider -although an un common scenario...

If you mount a heavy weight on the back of your 3 point and have grabbed a bunch of logs with the FEL AND left it up in the air-

AND then

Stack more wood on it , there is no pressure relief other than blowing a hose or seal...

The relief valve is not in circuit when the FEL joystick is centered. It only comes into play when the pump is supplying pressure to the cylinders.

Another way this can happen ... I popped a lift cylinder hose on my tractor when digging one time.
had pried into some concrete like white clay that was partially frozen and left the joystick centered while driving forward in 4x4
made one heck of a boom and lost quite a bit of oil to, just something to keep in mind.

As others have said -if it won't lift it , it is to heavy.

ps for lifting /stacking


Clamp or chain on Forks will get you started or a quick attach set of pallet forks , I usually stick with the grapple most of the time

Very good information, thanks for that

I have acres of pines about 60-70' tall. When I need to clear an area, I drop the trees, limb them, then use a rope and fairlead (pulley mounted up in another tree) to get the logs out of the woods. I normally drag the trees out whole so they are laying across my driveway, but sometimes I buck them beforehand. I generally buck them into 8-16' sections and lift them with clamp-on forks on my front loader. Drive them over to a pile and dump them. For skinny trees I might buck into 16' sections since they are light and won't twist the loader around. If I have to drive through my 16', gate I cut the logs to 15', don't ask why....

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Clamp on front end loader forks, Ill have to google that, thanks

 

[1930]

Heres the specs I mentioned

 

[PILOON]

Generally lift capacity will be at a specified distance from the axis.
On a FEL bucket that would be the loaded center and the axis should be the front axle.
Next the factory will have set the relief valve to kick out at that load limit.
The farther away from the bucket C of G the less U will safely be able to lift.

Now all that can be negated if U have rear ballast to counter act but relief valve will cancel the added capacity.

LOL, confused yet?

The 'work around' is lots of rear ballast and tweak the relief valve and watch your front tires squat.