Limitations of a sub compact?

[bp fick]

I'm not exactly sure myself where the line/ devides the 2 size tractors,
But I'm thinking the tractors the size of ridding mowers but with diesel engines under 20 hp, PTO.s and 3 pnt lift are considered Sub-cut and then the 21 hp thru 40?Hp I would think are the Cut tractors, am I close to being right Folks?

Not quite. These are arbitrary labels.

That said, the sub-cut can have the hp of some CUTS, right up to 26 horse. The issue seems to be the lower to the ground stance, matched with smaller wheels and tires, than a CUT. Again, there are CUTS with less hp than some SUBCUTS, so the whole thing is a bit arbitrary, but usually refers to very compact tractors. Kubota BX, MF GC, Deere 2305, etc. BTW, these subcuts are much more than riding lawn mowers with diesel engines. They are the real deal, just very compact.

 

[RoyJackson]

Guys,

Just for clarification, what it the difference between a scut and a cut.

I've never heard a dealer or manufacturer describe a tractor as a subCUT although compact utility tractor (CUT) is fairly common.
As far as size, it's been small frame, medium frame and large frame CUTs (at lease that's how Deere describes them).
Maybe subCUT is a TBN invention?

 

[TripleR]

I've never heard a dealer or manufacturer describe a tractor as a subCUT although compact utility tractor (CUT) is fairly common.
As far as size, it's been small frame, medium frame and large frame CUTs (at lease that's how Deere describes them).
Maybe subCUT is a TBN invention?

Kubota describes the BX line as "sub compact" while John Deere just lists "compact", so who knows; sometimes the line seems blurred at least to me.

 

[bp fick]

I've never heard a dealer or manufacturer describe a tractor as a subCUT although compact utility tractor (CUT) is fairly common.
As far as size, it's been small frame, medium frame and large frame CUTs (at lease that's how Deere describes them).
Maybe subCUT is a TBN invention?

No, but, who knows? Cub Cadet refers to their sub cuts, as well, sub cuts, too. Right on their web page. LS Tractor web page uses the same designation. So does Massey! Didn't check Mahindra.

Yes, absolutely, the lines are blurry. I think, however, it makes sense to just think of subcuts as those compact tractors on the smaller frames, with smaller wheels/tires. It is indeed arbitrary designations.

 

[deepNdirt]

:thumbsup:

Not quite. These are arbitrary labels.

That said, the sub-cut can have the hp of some CUTS, right up to 26 horse. The issue seems to be the lower to the ground stance, matched with smaller wheels and tires, than a CUT. Again, there are CUTS with less hp than some SUBCUTS, so the whole thing is a bit arbitrary, but usually refers to very compact tractors. Kubota BX, MF GC, Deere 2305, etc. BTW, these subcuts are much more than riding lawn mowers with diesel engines. They are the real deal, just very compact.

I was making comparison in size not power when I refer to as a ridding size mower but with diesel engine,.... of course the sub compacts are a full operable tractor with 3 pnt and pto etc, isn't this what the discussions about
in fact a person who own a sub compact has the best of both worlds, can live in a subdivision neighborhood and still own a tractor while his neighbor thinks its simply a ridding mower, can be stow-a-way in a basement or small shed, can overlooked as a tractor when paying taxes, if I lived in such a community you bet this is the kind of tractor I would own,:thumbsup:

 

[tsteahr]

Kubota describes the BX line as "sub compact" while John Deere just lists "compact", so who knows; sometimes the line seems blurred at least to me.

Likewise Massey describes their GC series as sub compact as well as NH describes their 1020 and 1025 Boomer tractors as sub compact.

 

[bp fick]

I suppose at a dealership, surrounded by larger tractors, the subs might look at little like a riding lawnmower to the untrained eye.
However, Since I own both a larger riding lawn mower and the smallest of the Kubota subcompacts, the BX1860 I can compare the size. The BX dwarfs the riding lawn mower and outweighs it more than 2 to 1.

That said, yes, it is garageable and very nimble. But the FEL and ROPS sort of gives it away, though, when the BX is trying to pass. It keeps trying to sneak into the theatre at the 1/2 price the riding mowers get, but that darn BX keeps getting caught.

 

[bp fick]

Roy's point is well taken, though. The OEMs use the phrase Sub Compact, but the term subcompact utility is used less frequently, except here at TBN.

Still, there is a step, by step niche product for every conceivable size, it seems.

 

[deepNdirt]

I suppose at a dealership, surrounded by larger tractors, the subs might look at little like a riding lawnmower to the untrained eye.
However, Since I own both a larger riding lawn mower and the smallest of the Kubota subcompacts, the BX1860 I can compare the size. The BX dwarfs the riding lawn mower and outweighs it more than 2 to 1.

That said, yes, it is garageable and very nimble. But the FEL and ROPS sort of gives it away, though, when the BX is trying to pass.

these were not quite the comparisons I was making when referring to lawn Mowers and sub compact tractors.... I'm thinking more in terms of these comparisons, now if you were to remove the FEL and 3 PH from the one you would think of it nothing more then a ridding mower at first glance, although I'm sure it is OEM labled as ( Subcompact tractor)

 

[TripleR]

Roy's point is well taken, though. The OEMs use the phrase Sub Compact, but the term subcompact utility is used less frequently, except here at TBN.

Still, there is a step, by step niche product for every conceivable size, it seems.

Agreed as in the end it makes little difference that under the web site's listings of "utility tractors" they list "sub compacts" thus the acronym SCUT or CUT as all you can or should really rely on are the specs to decide what will work best for your needs regardless of what it's called.