Loader curl leak down

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There is no need to turn positive enquiry into a negative. No one said that a properly functioning piston seal was not part of any effective repair. Some readers may find value in bringing out the truth of the investigation into "The case of the unaccounted volume". Similar symptoms may be associated with other difficulties.
 
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#22  
Pulled the cylinders and hung them from the rafter. With the cylinder compressed, plugged the same inlet on both. One cylinder holds my weight the other won't hold its own weight.

Have both rebuilt?
 
   / Loader curl leak down #23  
both are out, It will never be cheaper.....
 
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both are out, It will never be cheaper.....
Getting them out is free, except for the mess...lol, is there a secret to not making a mess?
 
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Have both rebuilt?

Like tires, brakes, wipers, headlights and even socks I feel it's always best to replace the cylinder seals in pairs. The "good" cylinder has cycled the same number of times as the bad one.
 
   / Loader curl leak down #28  
CalG: Let me try again here

The curl cylinders operate just the opposite as lift cylinders.

Lift cylinders on the loader hold the load by preventing the cylinder from being compressed. In order for the the loader to drift, cylinder rod needs to enter the cylinder barrel. And the ONLY way it can do that is for it to displace fluid OUT of the cylinder barrel. IE: external leak or back through the valve.

BUT, the same logic cannot apply to the curl cylinders, because they are trying to resist tension. They are trying to resist the rod leaving the barrel.

With the forces trying to extend the cylinder....pulling the rod out of the barrel, creates MORE volume inside the barrel of the cylinder. In a good working cylinder, with good gland and piston seals, the fluid on the rod side of the cylinder is contained by those seals. Not allowed to go anywhere, thus no movement.

With faulty piston seals, the oil can simply bypass the piston, and continue to occupy its "space" within the cylinder body, just on the other side of the piston. When you are extending a cylinder, you are creating MORE room for oil on the base-side, than you actually are displacing on the rod side. This will cause a vacuum. Gland seals and QD's are typically not designed to seal against a vacuum. And even if so, vacuum acts more like a "gas" or air, in terms of being "compressible".

So when it comes to having a cylinder "drift".......the biggest thing to look at is weather the "drift" is causing the cylinder to collapse, or to extend. Assuming NO external leaks, and its a simple circuit with just a valve and cylinder......if the drift causes the cylinder to collapse, it 100% CANNOT be the cylinder at fault.

But drift causing extension of the cylinder....could be either. The OP was 100% correct in his troubleshooting. Isolate the valve and cylinder by unhooking the QD's. IF problem is still there.....its the cylinder. IF problem stops......its the valve.
 
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LD1

Very good explanation.

For myself, I had that covered in a single line of my earlier post. i.e.
"Of course the cylinders could be sucking air as they extend. That would make the explanation easier. ;-) "
 
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Confused by the hydraulic shops previous test result indicating the cylinder was good, I was about to give up and call a mechanic but decided to give it one more try with Google which is where I came up with the idea to disconnect the lines. Threads like these saved me have saved me hundreds of dollars which I will surely plow into more tractor accessories, guns or ammo, so thank you!

I am still not convinced it's wasn't sucking air somewhere, but it seems like anyplace that sucked air would also leak oil. There was some oil at the QD but not much. I'll get it all put back together and give it a bath and see.


Hilarious video Rocky, looks like my shop except I like to wear my white dress shirt and listen to Merle Haggard.

I will drop the cylinders off for rebuild today and come back with an update after rebuold.
 

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