Loader mounted snow blower

/ Loader mounted snow blower #41  
Thanks Leon!

My son's answer is to buy another Ariens 27" walk behind and mount two of them in the bucket with a "funnel" directing snow into the two machines. The Ariens is 13 hp so the 26 hp makes sense. I already own the 66" rear blower and I want to use it since it's in good shape and very basic with easy to find and maintain parts and it works very well. The 4 stroke V twin would be easier to deal with than the hyd version...I need to give that more thought for sure. Chain drive would be easy to rig up and an electric start twin would make life easier too. The one self-contained unit would be easy on/ easy off and maint. would be simple too with all the parts from the local Co-op.

Think...think...think!! Has anyone out there done this type of conversion? Pictures?
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #42  
Thanks Leon!

My son's answer is to buy another Ariens 27" walk behind and mount two of them in the bucket with a "funnel" directing snow into the two machines. The Ariens is 13 hp so the 26 hp makes sense. I already own the 66" rear blower and I want to use it since it's in good shape and very basic with easy to find and maintain parts and it works very well. The 4 stroke V twin would be easier to deal with than the hyd version...I need to give that more thought for sure. Chain drive would be easy to rig up and an electric start twin would make life easier too. The one self-contained unit would be easy on/ easy off and maint. would be simple too with all the parts from the local Co-op.

Think...think...think!! Has anyone out there done this type of conversion? Pictures?

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The only real world conversion other than a loader mounted self contained 2 stage industrial snow blower I can offer you is a single stage snow thrower from finland that uses an air cooled 13 horse briggs with a chain drive for the high speed single stage rotor.


Also In saying that Mott used a 4 cylinder Wisconsin for a three point hitch Interstater using a a V belt drive to the gearbox
and several folks in Pa. build horse drawn engine powered sickle mowers and I know of a builder of a towed motorized flail shredder that advertises them for sale in the Lancaster farmer weekly rag.

Its simple enough to do you just need the right gearing and V belt pulley size to run a 2 equal sprocket chain drive to run the snow caster.

The steel plate would or could be used to support the engine and upper sprocket mount on a bearing bolted to the steel plate and using a snubber sprocket to keep tension on the chain and use a belt drive with a larger driven pulley to a smaller pulley connected to the upper sprocket that would then rotate the lower sprocket to spin the gearbox as the primary drive method to the chain drive which would save on broken chains too.

Timing cog pulleys and belts could be used bit I am not up to date on their pricing. They would be affected by wet weather unless they were shrouded and would require more work as the motor would have to be directly over the gearbox and would require enough room to remove the plates that hold the cog belt in place.

They use cog belts for high speed rotary lobe blowers to drive them and they have used this method for many years.

All you need is time and multiple pizza and beer bribes for a friend who may have a machinist as a friend if you do not own lathe or milling machine.




The problem with the existing 2 stage ATV/UTV/RTV motorized snow caster design is two fold; where they should be using a closed auger design with narrower flighting to reduce the load on the impellers as very little snow is actually powder snow and the open augers are counter productive with low power machines as the augers flights push the snow away where they should be carrying it into the impeller.

The earlier 2 stage toro units had this down to a science where the cross auger housing had two auger halves that had a solid tube upon which auger flighting was welded too the tube and the the snow had nowhere to go but in the impeller housing and out of the chute. Why they eliminated cross auger design as standard equipment I will never understand.

If you added one of clarences impeller kits( he makes them for the (large rear and front mounts now) to your rear mount you will have a snow blower that will not clog and operate almost as well as the new walk behind track drive Yamaha snow blowers.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #43  
I have lathe, mill, TIG, MIG and so on and I'm retired so I have time too but not a lot of bucks.

I have cog belts and a couple cog pulleys at 2.15 to 1 too but wouldn't be the correct ratio so I'd need to get new ones. Belts are pretty cheap...pulleys not so much.

So I'm reading this as your suggestion is a V belt not chain and sprocket. V belts can allow for some slippage if I eat a lawn chair or something that will stop the machine and shear the drive bolt. An idler pulley is also easy to make to tension the V belts. I'll do some research...thank you Sir!
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #44  
Look at the videos here for Bercomac Snowblowers. Just throwing this in for general info. Two of my friends have them and are very satisfied. One is on an ATV and one is on a side x side.
Look here: bercomac snowblowers - YouTube
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #45  
i used a loader mounted snowblower for 20 years ,, It was a standard 3pt hitch blower,, for power i made a transmission mounted on the pto and a shaft under the tractor
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #46  
The Berco blowers are pretty much what I want...just wish they had details on how they are built because the dedicated engine to power the blower makes perfect sense now. I did look at roller chain and sprockets and I like them but I'm wondering if a slip clutch wouldn't make sense instead of the shear bolt. I must have replaced a dozen shear bolts last winter blowing heavy snow. The slip clutch would sure save a lot of hassle and time.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #47  
Many years ago a local guy mounted a 4 cyl 120 HP chevy engine on his blower. He bolted an automatic transmission from a 350 chev to this motor and set them on the blower parallel to the auger but never finished the project. His plan was to drive the blower directly from the chain and sprockets on the end of the blower and not thru the gear box. The transmission would give him the various drive ratios and neutral and reverse if needed to clear the auger. Sounds like it might work if the proper gearing can be arranged. Any thoughts?
Al
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #48  
Now you're talkin Al! Wonder how far that rig would throw the neighbor's cat?

Actually, I was thinking about how the lower unit from a 25hp outboard motor could be used to get power from the B&S down to the blower...not sure the gearing would be correct to make it work.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #49  
Now you're talkin Al! Wonder how far that rig would throw the neighbor's cat?

Actually, I was thinking about how the lower unit from a 25hp outboard motor could be used to get power from the B&S down to the blower...not sure the gearing would be correct to make it work.

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Hello Lowrider,

The problem with using the lower end of a 25 horsepower outboard is the torque and lack there of as the very small screw/propeller is pushing an object with a very low draft through a water body with minimal resistance. The lower end bearings are or "were" water cooled.

The propeller screw is cutting through water that is open on all sides and not controlled in any manner and the engine builder decides how many propeller blades the propeller requires based on the engine size and the transmission used.

The majority of the small motorized snow blowers like the Bercomac and the other UTV, ATV, and RTV mounted snow blowers use roller chain reduction drives and they all lose torque and as a result lose net efficiency simply due to the smaller power units used and the poorly designed cross auger system.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #50  
Good point Leon. I guess the tried and proven system is the chain and sprocket drive.

What is it about the cross auger that makes it a poor design? I only have 2 here to look at but they both seem to be similar in function if not in design. Both seem to function OK and feed snow into the 2nd stage. The addition of rubber to the impeller blades seems to fix the excess clearance issue. What can be done to improve the auger?
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #51  
I think auger designs are OK as they now exist, after all if more efficient then the fan would be 'overfed' and choke up.
Their job is to simply feed enough to the fan.
Teeth is possibly the main improvement that could be added and that to chew hard or frozen snow. Some designs do incorporate that feature.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #52  
Bon Jour Mon Ami,

I agree completely with the need to add teeth to the auger ribbons like the Yamaha snow throwers as it would break the snow up even more as we have a huge issue with wet snow and freeze melt snow cycles down here.

For what its worth I think the Reist single stage rear mounts that can be converted to a hydraulic drive set up with very little work and they are really really impressive in my opinion.
The Reist Series 1000 units could be motorized too with a quick attach hitch permanently attached to the snow thrower using a Briggs and Stratton 22 horsepower V twin or a 4 cylinder air cooled Wisconsin engine or its equivalent with a dual V belt drive pulley system using a manually tensioned snubber pulley like the British and Italian motorized flail mowers .

My friend Paul Vanderzon thinks that the Reist folks do not have a large enough power rating on their Series 1000 single stage units as they recommend a 15 to 40 PTO horsepower mule to run them.

Stay warm up there Piloon.

I hope the late spring is treating you well. The folks in the St. Lawrence River region are not doing well sadly. I learned this morning that they will be releasing more water from the Niagara river side of things to relieve more pressure on the St. Lawrence River.

I have come to the point where I am going to most likely invest in a Yamaha YS1032J walk behind snow blower and hope the current mule lasts for another year anyway- It has been sad and very costly for me to see John Deere making junk lawn mowers/snowblowers.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #53  
Anyone ever see a self contained blower mounted on a rubber tired front end loader? Place where I used to work had one but I never really had a chance to look at it close. So, I have no idea what kind of engine it had or who may have made it. I just happened to look out a door at our cooling towers and saw the maintenance folks using it. We were knee deep in snow and facility issues at the time so I had more important things to deal with.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #54  
Where I used to work we had, I think, Caterpiller wheel loaders with probably 20' wide snow blowers with a self contained system they used to clear the parking lots. Probably see those at airports and other large facilities too. I'm sure they make em bigger than that too. I remember seeing them sitting in the equipment yard when not in use and I think they had a fairly big diesel engine that power the blower.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #55  
This one I saw was on a modest sized payloader, maybe a Ford. The blower was about the same width as the loader. The facility had several outbuildings accessed by one and two lane mostly paved roads. With 4000 to 6500 employees covering three shifts, the large parking lots were cleared by a contractor. This was in PA in early 1996 when they got around 30 inches during one storm.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #56  
The self contained one I use to run, would replace the bucket on any big loader...

It had a 351 Ford V8 for power...

SR
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #57  
I got the SSQA blank plate for my Summer project of building a FEL self-contained snow blower today. Plan is to make 3 PT hitch tabs on the plate to attach the blower so it can be removed and used on other vehicles if desired. I'm pretty sure I'm using a PTO type slip clutch on the drive train instead of the usual shear bolt and I'm going with chain and sprocket. Not sure about the engine yet but I think it will be mounted in rubber to reduce vibration and ease the stress on the chain. Maybe electric driven chute controls with a cab mounted joy stick or just 2 way switches.

Other thoughts welcome!!
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #58  
I got the SSQA blank plate for my Summer project of building a FEL self-contained snow blower today. Plan is to make 3 PT hitch tabs on the plate to attach the blower so it can be removed and used on other vehicles if desired. I'm pretty sure I'm using a PTO type slip clutch on the drive train instead of the usual shear bolt and I'm going with chain and sprocket. Not sure about the engine yet but I think it will be mounted in rubber to reduce vibration and ease the stress on the chain. Maybe electric driven chute controls with a cab mounted joy stick or just 2 way switches.

Other thoughts welcome!!


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Hello Lowrider,

I will tell you the standard heavy high horsepower Hilliard slip clutch will give too much and stop on you so you should stick with the chain drive to do this-I have two of them on my flail mower and M+W shredder.

Once you have the proper gearing/sprockets to reduce from the high idle at 3,300 RPM at the crank to 540 RPM at the PTO stub to achieve a 6 to 1 reduction you will be fine with it. The roller chain and shear pins on the snow blower auger and impeller will be all you need.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #59  
I was planning on 5 to 1 so I didn't need to run WOT all the time.
 
/ Loader mounted snow blower #60  
Unless you have fine powder snow all the time I think your still going to have to run it at high idle to maintain your
540 RPM impeller speed to create the fastest rate of discharge as the heat from the snow being blown out of the impeller housing and chute UNLESS you line the impeller housing and the chute and spout to eliminate the metal warming from the friction of the snow being discharged. I always make it a point to dry out the RAD junk I have with a space heater to prevent it from freezing solid and to remove all the snow and water from under the mule and using fluid film as a matter of practice. I am hoping the chute I bought lasts me at least two seasons as they are very expensive. I need to install slick sheet on the chute and in the impeller housing to eliminate clogging as I have the 3 paddle plastic impeller-I know that is where a lot of the belt problems start for these units.

I am surprised that Deere does not have an electromagnetic clutch and shaft drive for these things to eliminate the belts completely.

If you want to run slower your probably going to need two two-row sprockets with 60H or 80H chain.


I wish I was closer I would be able to help more.
 

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