loggers are coming to clear the land behind us

[Gods Country]

So you live next to a managed forest. You use it for your enjoyment, but when the land owner wants to log it you have a fit? You're OK with logging so long as it's not your back yard. Guess what? Its always someone's back yard and you're number just came up. That's part of living in the country.
You could move to the city where there are so many rules and codes that you couldn't knock down a dead tree on your own land without a permit.

 

[dmccarty]

Most States it's 2 to 2 1/2 times the value of the stumpage.

If it's a thinning they will mark the trees to be cut, if its a clear cut they will only mark the perimeter.

Dang it, you made me go look it up for NC. :laughing: I was trying to avoid it buy curiosity got the better of me.....

What was in my head was the the penalty in NC was THREE times the value of the timber.

I was right.

I was wrong.

Details matter.



In NC the penalty is THREE times the value of timber. *** IF *** the timber is owned by the state. This is in Chapter 14 which contains NC criminal statutes. So I was right. Most statues I read are Chapter 14.

BUT, why is there always a but, for private land the penalty is TWICE the value of the timber. This is in a different statute chapter, Chapter 1 which is Civil Procedures. I do not think I have ever look at Chapter 1 before.

I remember that a company timbered some land in Raleigh years ago. The logger had title to the trees but he did not get approval from the city. The city nailed his fanny to the, well, trees. What I remember being reported was that they fined him three times the value. But that is a different circumstance.

This has been nagging me for a week or two due to a post I read on another website. I had to go look up the statutes.

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

Interesting thread.

I didn't know about the buffer zones.

I knew about watter runoff, but it's one of those things that if it happens, all you can really do is complain about it and get them to add more barriers of some sort. Once the logging is done, it's hard to get them to come back and deal with anything that happens becasue of what they did.

Might be nice to find out what the plan is from the beginning to make sure the impact to your land is minimal.

While not a big fan of what land looks like after it's been logged, I am a big fan of what it looks like a few years later!!!! Even better, is how the wildlife will just explode with all the new growth that comes out.

Eddie

 

[Hollow]

Dang it, you made me go look it up for NC. :laughing: I was trying to avoid it buy curiosity got the better of me.....


Dan

Sorry :laughing:

 

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@EddieWalker I do agree the land "might" possibly turn out better depending on what it looks like now. I also have to add there is a lot of "mights" when it comes to certain "logging" procedures. There are places around here that were logged many years back that still look like crap and as far as wildlife probably see more in a walmart store. The way they destroyed the land nothing can get through certain area's except maybe squirels. I have NOTHING against logging, do it myself, but it does need to be done right in order for things to come back. Many "loggers" will do the ole get in get out quick trick, cash in on their spoils, and run to the next job.

 

[om21braz]

Doesn't, typically now, a law exist that requires trees which border any water source such as a stream, creek, river, etc. to be left standing under all circumstances ?

 

[powerpace]

Timber is a renewable resource. As you stated it was logged (thinned) previously. Sounds to me the owner is manageing the property in a responsible way.

Is you house built with wood?

Down here in the "Timber Capital of The World" we have been reduced to importing logs from Canada, Montana and other states just to keep the mills running. Since 1990 we have lost half of the employment in the mills and associated business because someone wanted to save the owls, Marbled Murrelet, or some mouse or some flower or some fern etc....

The property tax base will not support the needs of the population. The majority of the property is owned by the Government in one form or another. THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. If the east coast states had the same proportion of government ownership THE CITIZENS WOULD NOT STAND FOR IT. The quality of life would go down. A person can not make a living on Government owned land.

If you ask a person in the Rust Belt what killed the Steel mills and industry. They will say "cheap imports". Well that is what it happening with the Timber industry in the Northwest.

My suggestion to you is to move. Preferably next to a Hog operation that has been there for 40 years. Same problem different industry.

 

[beppington]

Haven't read every post but saw mentions of a buffer.

How about offering a long-term lease of a buffer strip of their land; you decide how wide of a strip you want to propose, the price you want to offer, & how long a term, too (maybe 10 years is enough? 20? 50?), & be prepared to negotiate those details.

State in the lease what your uses will be (none, or maybe walking around) & what they can do to it (nothing, or maybe walking around) over the lease term.

My parents discovered during the purchase of their new place, via surveyor, that the fence along one of the property lines was built over on the neighbor's side, up to 18' onto the neighbor's side :confused2: ... Rather than take down the fence & move it onto my parents' side of the line, he approached the land owner & negotiated a 10-year lease of the strip of land involved. I think they settled on something like $1,600.

 

[brin]

Since you can't control what is on the other side of the fence ...why don't you plant some trees right now...now is tree planting time...You can buy what are called " Liners " they are small potted trees about a foot to 18 inches high...I planted Leyland Cypress trees at that age and 4 yrs. later they were over 10 ft. high and grow now at about 3 ft a yr up to 50' tall at full growth...I planted over 400 of them all along our fence line about 25 yrs. ago and they are huge now...You can then control your own trees....Just a thought.

 

[beppington]

Since you can't control what is on the other side of the fence ...why don't you plant some trees right now...now is tree planting time...You can buy what are called " Liners " they are small potted trees about a foot to 18 inches high...I planted Leyland Cypress trees at that age and 4 yrs. later they were over 10 ft. high and grow now at about 3 ft a yr up to 50' tall at full growth...I planted over 400 of them all along our fence line about 25 yrs. ago and they are huge now...You can then control your own trees....Just a thought.

Do those need sun? Or shade? Or either?

I'd like a few strategically placed privacy trees that are very dense from ground level up to 10' (& higher!), but they'd be planted in shade amongst other very tall trees that have nothing but trunk from ground level to 30 - 50 feet above ground (not much in the way of privacy).