Long TON vs Short TON vs Gross TON!!!!!!!

[crazyal]

I didn't realize that scrap steel was back up that high.

 

[whodat526]

This is kinda a rant so bare with me.

Long story short, I scrapped an old junk car shell. 2360lbs to be exact.

Called around to find the best price.

Best was NOT the closet to me. Everyone was 220/ton .11 per lb

One place a little farther was $245 "gross" ton.

I never gave it a second thought. I figured 12.25cents per pound. Enough to be worth the extra little drive. So I am expecting ~$289 Or so I thought.

I guess a gross ton is another name for a long ton:confused2: (2240lbs) so I only got $258

I thought we here in the states quit using that back in the 80's. :confused2: Personally I have NEVER heard it called gross ton. It has always been know to me as long and short ton.

most scrap yards either pay buy the long ton or by the pound where i am at

but i deal will a buch of old farm equipment and after i get down taking off all the usable or salable parts off of them i cut the rest up in the winter time and haul it off. the reason i was told by the scrap yards around here they pay buy a long tone or gross ton is because off all the not so honest people around that try to fill cars will dirt are the gas tank fuel of water show they are really only paying for the metal and not the dirt and water most places around here that pays by the pound makes u pull of the tires and the fuel tank and drain all fluids and i have seen them pull dipsticks to make sure everything is drained.

 

[whodat526]

I didn't realize that scrap steel was back up that high.

last i hauled was 13 a hundred and still going up

 

[whodat526]

Yep, its a very deceptive practice. I am with you, its not so much about the money but the fact that they are screwing the average joe.

I would make sure everyone I know knows about it. Probably not going to make a difference to them but it would make me feel better.

Chris

yes they are screwing the average joe but they have to because they will get screwed by all the crooks out there

the biggest problem i have had is when i pulled of the scale after getting weight out after i got unloaded and they said i weight 11000 lbs but the day before that i got weight at the local feed mill in the same truck and trailer and they said i weight 9500 lbs now me and that scrap yard at a problem because i still had my scale ticket from the day before and i knew the owner so he fixed the problem which was the girl running the scales wouldn't let them level out before she hit the button but what about everybody else that don't catch that there's no telling how much they lost

 

[LD1]

most scrap yards either pay buy the long ton or by the pound where i am at

but i deal will a buch of old farm equipment and after i get down taking off all the usable or salable parts off of them i cut the rest up in the winter time and haul it off. the reason i was told by the scrap yards around here they pay buy a long tone or gross ton is because off all the not so honest people around that try to fill cars will dirt are the gas tank fuel of water show they are really only paying for the metal and not the dirt and water most places around here that pays by the pound makes u pull of the tires and the fuel tank and drain all fluids and i have seen them pull dipsticks to make sure everything is drained.

I dont buy into that theory.

If that was the case, still qoute by the 2000lb ton, just at a lower rate.

$245/long ton works out to be about $219/ton. Why not just pay that, instead of the deception.

And as for the rest of the "junk" non ferrous stuff on the car, that is why they pay less to begin with for cars. At least around here, most yards will pay $50/ton more for just regular scrap steel. Like motors, tractor parts, siding, etc. They Have already lowered the price to account fot the things like the interior, plastic, etc.

And as to scrap prices, I think they are going down around here?? We'll see what june's prices do. But When I scrapped some tractor parts in the end of april at my normal place, price was $310/ton. Since it was the end of the month, before he qouted me the price, he asked when I was bringing it in because prices would be going down in may. And they did. This month, that yard was paying $265/ton for steel and $220/ton for cars.

 

[LD1]

yes they are screwing the average joe but they have to because they will get screwed by all the crooks out there

An yes, I am sure there are a lot of crooks out there that soak the seats with water, fill the tank with water/dirt, pack dirt in fender cavities, etc.

Personally, I'd wish they inspect the loads and price accordingly. Because the scrap yards have to offer the lower price to cover the crooks, all that does is screw us honest guys by giving us a lower rate

 

[LD1]

Just a quick update:

I sent an e-mail to the yard where I scrapped said car. (not an angry or rude e-mai, but a dissatisfied e-mail in a very professional manner)

The VP called me today.

He was very apologetic about the mis-understanding. He said that the steel industry as a whole uses gross ton, and that they re-sell scrap to the mills by the gross ton, so that is why they quote that when they buy.

We BS'd a bit about the other yards I normally go to and my likes/dislikes about them vs his place.

There were several things I did like about this place, like the digital readout on the truck scales, so you know your weight without haveing to ask. And the fact that I got right in and out. My normal yards are usually packed and you have to wait.

At any rate, He agreed to "make it right" with me and send me the $31.

So I guess they are now back on my good side. I will still go wherever is paying the most (I just have to figure differently now). Whereas before this phone call, I wouldn't have even bothered calling them.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Glad you could talk it out with him and he made it right.

Chris

 

[LD1]

I forgot to add:

Some of the BS'ing entailed scrapping vehichles without titles.

Since that new senate bill 171 or whatever "the scrappers bill" passed, my normal places are requiring titles for junk cars without motors. It always used to be "no motor-no title".

This yard is STILL "no motor-no title", which I like.

I was asking him about some of the particulars as to why this is.

He said it is all in how you interpret a "hawk" vehichle. I guess that is some of the wording in the bill. Which basically means a "non-usable" vehichle. So they consider a vehichle with no-motor a "hawk" anc will accept them without a title.

That is proababally the way it is supposed to be, but the other yards probabally being a little extra cautious covering their butts:laughing:

 

[Diamondpilot]

Around here scraping has gotten strict. All cars, no matter what condition, motor or not must have a title.

It does not matter if its tin cans or gold, they take your picture coming in along with your vehicle, license plate, ect. They then take your picture again when you pay out and must have a photo id. If are scrapping for a company (you work for them or are doing a job for them) you need a letter each and every load on letter head. (each trip).

Its easier to get a prescription than it is to take 20# of aluminum cans in.

Chris