lopping young trees, Remedy or Tordon?

[nancyk]

My winter/spring project has been to limit the young trees growing along trails that were put in years ago. I bushhog the trails at least once a year. After lopping the trees for years, I noticed some of the smaller ones, and a few mid-size, have been pulling out, by hand, relatively easy. Then last week I got the tractor and chains and pulled out some of the bigger ones. I do not mind doing this on the flat but some of the trails can be a tad less-than-flat. My question: if I lop them off at the base, should I put Remedy or Tordon RTU on the base?
I am not sure what the trees are. The first picture has been suggested is a callery pear, with similar shoots coming up 25 feet away.
The other pictures have been suggested to be beech. I believe the last pictures are all the same trees, they appear to have the same growth pattern. Also read: "Glyphosate is the most mobile of herbicides within the beech root system, but is non-mobile to other species. You will want to use at least 25% active ingredient of glyphosate and as soon after cutting the beech as possible."

 

[JSanders10]

Yes, TordonRTU will take care of the cut saplings. I use it very often on same.

 

[wisconsitom]

I'd go with the triclopyr product. Tordon likes to deep down into ground water.

 

[nancyk]

what is triclopyr? Just found out. "Triclopyr is a selective systemic herbicide used to control woody and herbaceous broadleaf plants"

 

[wisconsitom]

Garlon was (and is) a well known brand name for triclopyr. But numerous others by now. Such as Remedy.

 

[nancyk]

I believe I may try this type product rather than the Tordon. There are reports that Tordon can migrate. If I get a quart of something with triclopyr and use it straight, in a small squirt, bottle, it should last a while.
Local farmers co-op has a gallon of Remedy for $116 or 8 ounces of triclopyr ester for $24.99. I do not want a gallon but 8 ounces will be too small, and the label said the ester is for clover and broadleafs.

 

[jyoutz]

My winter/spring project has been to limit the young trees growing along trails that were put in years ago. I bushhog the trails at least once a year. After lopping the trees for years, I noticed some of the smaller ones, and a few mid-size, have been pulling out, by hand, relatively easy. Then last week I got the tractor and chains and pulled out some of the bigger ones. I do not mind doing this on the flat but some of the trails can be a tad less-than-flat. My question: if I lop them off at the base, should I put Remedy or Tordon RTU on the base?
I am not sure what the trees are. The first picture has been suggested is a callery pear, with similar shoots coming up 25 feet away.
The other pictures have been suggested to be beech. I believe the last pictures are all the same trees, they appear to have the same growth pattern. Also read: "Glyphosate is the most mobile of herbicides within the beech root system, but is non-mobile to other species. You will want to use at least 25% active ingredient of glyphosate and as soon after cutting the beech as possible.

The most used applications for stump treatment is to spray Garlon or Velpar on the fresh cut stump (before it seals over). I’m unfamiliar with all of the suitable herbicides, but the two I mentioned are commonly used for that purpose. You could check with your state university cooperative extension agent for more information.

 

[nancyk]

Just spoke w/the county agent. He suggested Crossbow, which I just found out is only 16% triclopyr, and a big chunk 2-4-d, which I really do not want. I am back to Brushtox at RuralKing, 61% triclopyr. Or may even do a trial and put straight bleach on the small base.

 

[wisconsitom]

The 2-4D ain't no thang. Not more toxic than the triclo contingent, less so than Tordon.

Don't overthink it-you're using tiny amounts of actual solution, if doing cut-stump treatment (which you should) as jyoutz points out.

Couple drops of blue dye can work wonders in helping one keep track of what's done versus what ain't!

 

[nancyk]

adding dye, I like that idea. where do I get the dye? I have some red dye I got a few years ago from Deere for the tractor, I'll have to see if that would work

 

[jyoutz]

adding dye, I like that idea. where do I get the dye? I have some red dye I got a few years ago from Deere for the tractor, I'll have to see if that would work

They sell dye for herbicides. You can buy it where you buy the product. Also add a little surfactant: it helps the herbicide to stay stuck to the plant (stump).

 

[nancyk]

surfactant, yes. I was thinking of adding a drop or two of liquid soap. I will probably be using a small squirt bottle for the application. Can I use the same dye when I spray the gravel driveway? I have been curious of the exact spray pattern of my sprayer. The dye will not discolor the spray tank, which is rinsed well after each application of glyphosate?

 

[jyoutz]

surfactant, yes. I was thinking of adding a drop or two of liquid soap. I will probably be using a small squirt bottle for the application.

The squirt bottle works but will need filling often. You can get a 1-2 gallon pump up sprayer at Walmart or Harbor freight for less than $20.squirt bottles are also an issue with splashback of chemicals on the user. The sprayers have wands to keep the material away from the user.

 

[nancyk]

I do have a 2 gallon sprayer used just for glyphosate, for those hard-to-reach by tractor areas. Depends if I am working alone or with a helper which applier to use.

 

[wisconsitom]

You could use that same sprayer.

I keep separate sprayers:. One for glyph, triclo, etc, one for insecticides, fungicides, plant protectants, and one for broadleaf herbicide, used on turf areas. That way, no unfortunate results from cross contamination.

 

[ovrszd]

adding dye, I like that idea. where do I get the dye? I have some red dye I got a few years ago from Deere for the tractor, I'll have to see if that would work

Tordon RTU is already blue. Easy to see treatment. On a stump 2-3" diameter a teaspoon full is enough. I buy it in Quart squirt bottles. Extremely easy to use versus a product that requires transferring to a usable container.

For spraying I prefer Remedy. Have also had good luck with Crossbow.

 

[ovrszd]

For the primary purpose of treating fresh cut stumps, nothing can be simpler and easier to manage than this. No mess. No broad kill. I have no idea how many small stumps this bottle will kill. Takes a teaspoon or less.

 

[RandyT]

I believe I may try this type product rather than the Tordon. There are reports that Tordon can migrate. If I get a quart of something with triclopyr and use it straight, in a small squirt, bottle, it should last a while.
Local farmers co-op has a gallon of Remedy for $116 or 8 ounces of triclopyr ester for $24.99. I do not want a gallon but 8 ounces will be too small, and the label said the ester is for clover and broadleafs.

Tordon will root translocate. Witnessed personally at a state tree farm the sprayed brush along a road and killed the 75 foot tall cottonwood trees 50 feet behind them

 

[nancyk]

"Tordon will root translocate. Witnessed personally" Any observations on stump painting, with Tordon, on saplings? My young trees are in a forested area and I would hate to injure the older taller hardwoods.

 

[wisconsitom]

If you've got beech, and you don't want to damage the larger trees just off the trail, then yes do select an active ingredient with lower translocatability-if that's a word-and BTW, I don't know which one it is. Beech tree roots are definitely connected together.

Oh, and you have my permission to destroy all callery pear encountered.