Loved Ones - Toyota

   / Loved Ones - Toyota #51  
modern electronic horse dung

folks that panic

folks that truely don't know vehicle safety

newer, but much cheaper parts

medi hype

last but not least just good ole plain ignorance

I believe this sums it up pretty much :)
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #52  
I don't find it hard to believe what Pat said at all about his Dodge pickup. What I find hard to believe are the posts saying the brakes will overpower the engine even if the engine RPM is high. With a car sitting still, I've seen drivers stand hard on the brake pedal and give it the gas until the rear wheels would spin and the car go nowhere (never seen it done on a front wheel drive car, but guess it might be possible). Now that meant the engine overpowered the brakes on the drive axle, and if the vehicle had already been moving I don't think the brakes on the other axle would have stopped the vehicle. Now of course, I've no experience at all with a hybrid such as the Prius.

I love cruise control on my vehicles; hope to never have one without it again. But I remember when my Dad bought his first car with cruise control; a used Buick. He knew I used cruise control and asked me if he was doing something wrong; said everytime he tried to turn it on, that Buick accelerated. He was right. Turn the cruise control on and the car immediately accelerated hard, brakes would not turn it off or slow the car, but fortunately just turning it off released it. The dealer replaced the servo.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #53  
the old spin outs, 1 foot on the brake and one on the gas{rear wheel drive} On weaker engined vehicles we'd poor clorox on the tires.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #54  
It seems I heard it was 1 in 20,000 cars that could have the problem, and even less that actually would. I noticed with interest that Toyota stock is now at its lowest in the last 10 months and would certainly be worth watching to see if there is a buying opportunity there. For now, I'm sitting on my Ford stock and watching it go higher and higher.:D
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #55  
Toyota may even have to sell their stock in Consumer Reports.:D:D
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #56  
Ask yourselves how many of you felt safe transporting your loved ones around in exploding Ford mavericks, or Chevy Pickups with tanks that rupture. Every maker has had their problems and scandals.

or the Ford explorer rollovers!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I own a 09 Vibe ,,Yes I have talked to my wife about what to do if this happens.... press and hold brake pedal , Ours has a pulltype emg brake ,if holding brake pedal doesn't work ,pull the emg brake a little at a time till car stops ,put car in neutral , last turn key off back to first stop not all the way off or steering wheel may lock and you would loose power steering and power brakes I know hard to say this STAY CALM
But we are talking what fewer than 50 cars out of how many MILLIONS
Get a life
Better odds of getting killed walking across the road. I'm not wanting anyone to get hurt or killed . It is sad and my prayers goes out to the families that have lost loved one because of this.. To the ones this has happened to cannot imagine what they have gone through .
Maybe Toyota was slow getting a recall out....A mechanic told me yesterday at a Chevy ,Toyota dealership,,, Remember the old days when Chevy would send out defective cars or trucks for months maybe years and then let the dealership try and fix the problem, because they weren't concerned about fixing the problem only SELLING THE PRODUCT.
I think Toyota is doing a good job in a good time frame getting this problem corrected...They are paying dealers a fair price for the extra cost they will have getting all the cars corrected.., So what more do you want !!!
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota
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#57  
A Reuters New Article on February 5th, 2010

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Relatives of a California woman killed in the crash of her Toyota Camry, an accident they say occurred when the car spontaneously sped out of control, sued the automaker on Thursday and demanded the company vastly expand its recall.
The suit asserts the crash that killed Noriko Uno, 66, was triggered by a defect in Toyota's electronic "drive-by-wire" throttle system, which the carmaker has so far ruled out as a cause of incidents of unintended acceleration in its vehicles.
Instead, Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) has insisted such problems are mechanical in nature, rooted in ill-fitting floor mats that can cause the accelerator pedal to jam, or in pedals themselves that stick.
Toyota declined to comment on the Uno suit, as it has on other pending litigation, a company spokesman said.
The latest products liability and negligence case seeks unspecified monetary damages from the Japanese automaker, which faces a growing number of lawsuits from consumers complaining of runaway acceleration in their vehicles.
Toyota has recalled some 8 million vehicles worldwide, including 2.3 million in the United States for the repair of sticking gas pedals in its eight top-selling models. Millions more vehicles were recalled for floor mat adjustments.
For the Camry, which accounts for the largest number of U.S. vehicles involved, the recalls cover 2007 through 2010 model-year cars. Uno's car, bought new by the family from a local dealership, was a 2006 model, though it had just 10,000 miles on it at the time of the crash.
Uno was running errands near her home when the accident occurred, said Garo Mardirossian, a lawyer for her family.
"Witnesses saw her vehicle rocketing 100 miles an hour, weaving in and out of traffic trying to avoid hitting people and it eventually hit a curb, went airborne, hit a pole, then hit a tree, and she died," he said.
'SLEIGHT OF HAND'
Members of the Uno family said they hope their lawsuit and others like it will prompt Toyota to broaden its recall to include all models equipped with an electronic throttle and to retrofit those automobiles with a brake override system.
Garo said Toyota's current recall repairs amount to "sleight of hand."
"My wife should not die ... we loved my wife," Uno's husband, Peter, 67, told a news conference in the town of Pomona, east of Los Angeles.
Garo told Reuters that a brake override, which cuts power to the engine when both the brake and throttle are engaged, would have saved Uno's life.
"Toyota ... could have easily put in an override system, but they decided not to," he said. "I suspect cost had something to do with it."
Toyota has said a brake override would be installed on several car models included under its recall for floor mat entrapment, and will be made standard equipment on all product lines starting this year.
Garo told Reuters that for the Camry, Toyota's recall should be extended to the model's sixth generation, covering years 2002 through 2006, which was the first to have drive-by-wire throttles.
He said Toyota and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) knew of 389 complaints of out-of-control acceleration in those model years, compared with about a quarter of that number for the previous generation of Camry.
He said NHTSA closed investigations of such reports "because it could not get enough information about those complaints to reach a conclusion. ... So they closed their files without giving the vehicle a clean bill of health."
Garo said the Uno case was not previously known to Toyota or the government and only came to his attention a couple of weeks ago after the family "connected the dots" from media accounts about the recall and similar crashes.
The Uno wreck occurred the same day, August 28, 2009, as a similar accident that was a major turning point in Toyota's recall saga -- the crash of a runaway Lexus driven by an off-duty California Highway Patrol officer near San Diego that killed him and three others.
The case is Uno vs. Toyota Motor Corp et al, Suerior Court of the state of California, for the County of Los Angeles, No. KC05788
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #58  
I don't find it hard to believe what Pat said at all about his Dodge pickup. What I find hard to believe are the posts saying the brakes will overpower the engine even if the engine RPM is high. With a car sitting still, I've seen drivers stand hard on the brake pedal and give it the gas until the rear wheels would spin and the car go nowhere (never seen it done on a front wheel drive car, but guess it might be possible). Now that meant the engine overpowered the brakes on the drive axle, and if the vehicle had already been moving I don't think the brakes on the other axle would have stopped the vehicle.
Chances are very great that those were vacuum assisted power brakes. With WOT the vac is very low. Under normal circumstances brakes are powerful enuf to lock all 4wheels on good pavement, whereas most engines do not have the power to spin them - even in low gear. The brakes should always be able to win unless; 1)at speed where heat fading causes loss of normal effectivenes, or 2)the WOT impairs their normal function. It seems there are still modern vehicles where this impairment exists. I occasionaly drive a Ford V10 Excursion automatic at work. It has good power but will not come close to spinning even in 2wd when you mash the accelerator on takeoff. However, if you stand on the brakes with all your might at a standstill, and then mash the pedal the vehicle will surge ahead. :(:eek:
larry
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #59  
Chances are very great that those were vacuum assisted power brakes. With WOT the vac is very low. Under normal circumstances brakes are powerful enuf to lock all 4wheels on good pavement, whereas most engines do not have the power to spin them - even in low gear. The brakes should always be able to win unless; 1)at speed where heat fading causes loss of normal effectivenes, or 2)the WOT impairs their normal function. It seems there are still modern vehicles where this impairment exists. I occasionaly drive a Ford V10 Excursion automatic at work. It has good power but will not come close to spinning even in 2wd when you mash the accelerator on takeoff. However, if you stand on the brakes with all your might at a standstill, and then mash the pedal the vehicle will surge ahead. :(:eek:
larry


Also, Pat's truck was a diesel which doesn't generate vacuum from the intake (no venturi) - my Ford 7.3 has a vacuum pump that runs off the accessory belt. This would suggest that a WOT would not cause brake failure (on a diesel).

For your V10, could the surge problems be caused by antilock brakes (as well as WOT, loss of vacuum)? If the rear wheels are spinning and the fronts locked it would make sense that the fronts would release.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #60  
Sounds like Pats brakes must have overheated and faded since he was at highway speed to start.... On the Excursion, no wheels spinning. You can feed the throttle slowly. The Excursion will begin to move at about 1/2 throttle. Freaked me out... I was almost bending the steering wheel backward to push harder on the brake.
larry
 

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