Low hour diesel engine failure.

[kuboman]

There is a lot of this story that does not add up. :confused3:

 

[ORCM]

What tractor model is it? What year? Did you buy it brand new? Was it from this dealer? Just curious.

07 I bought it brand new. No issues with it until now.

 

[clemsonfor]

No out of warrenty.

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See His quote above.

Maybe, But we are only hearing one side of the story.
If an owner worked on the tractor while under warranty that led to many of the problems caused later, warranty may not cover a thing.

It was not in Warrenty.

 

[Dutch445]

Sorry guys, been working a lot (Have to pay to fix it somehow.) and haven't been on here in a while..

I attached a copy of the fuel report from my transfer tank, all normal. Note: The pic you see has some crap in it, but I had to take the sample from the filter drain off the pump. So this sample is un-filtered.


To answer the question, what did the dealer base their "Fuel was contaminated", well the first comment was "Gas was dumped in it".. Would be the POOOTA (Pulled One Out Of Their A**) method. They didn't do any testing at all.

I've talked to other people/mechanics and everyone seems to come to the same conclusion: 'This makes no sense'. I firmly believe that they are not telling me the whole story, and are hiding something.

They are supposed to be taking samples so I can get the goo tested to see what it is, however I'm having a hard time finding a lab that will do the testing.

To answer the question about the oil. I do all the oil changes, and I had just changed the oil a few hours before the problems happened. I always change the oil in the Fall, so the old oil is not sitting in the engine over winter (Deere recommended). So, the oil is changed more often than the hour requirement. I use Cenex oil ( https://www.cenex.com/portal/server.pt/community/3lubricants/319 ) , and have the whole life of the tractor. I will say that I saw the bottom end of the motor, and it looked really good, so I really don't think it痴 an oil issue.

Here are some facts to ponder:
-Tractor was running normally, before I shut it off. Would not restart.
-Tractor had NO smoke (other than a little on start up, and under load.), white, or black.
-Tractor was not lacking power before problem started.
-Tractor did not run rough before issue.
-After problem, the tractor would start right away, and run for about a second and die.

The dealer had it for over a month before they tore the motor down and found the leaky valves, and the stuck rings. They had played a lot with the injectors, and pump. I know when I was trouble shooting it myself, the engine would run for about a sec. and die. There would be some really sooty smoke that came out the pipe, almost like when you first light a cutting torch with a rich mixture. I wondering if they keep playing with it (Trying to start it.), and they sooted up the cylinders and valves. They tested the pump late in the game, and it tested out fine. I wonder it the pump was just out of time, and that was the initial problem.

Bottom line, I'm not happy and I think I'm getting screwed! This dealer will never get my business again, and I will let everyone know who they are after I get the tractor back.

I have also been watching and waiting the outcome of this thread, and it does indeed sound like an unfortunate set of circumstances that has led to this getting so far out of hand.
BUT upon further review of the early pages, OP had all of us stumped with all sorts of mystery diagnoses for a problem but failed to let us in on that one key component,
He had performed some work, and then after performing this work the problem reared it's ugly head.

I hope your dealer works with you on the whole deal, and everybody is happy with the outcome, but it certainly leads us to a much different set of circumstances than
originally indicated. As,
"Tractor was running normally, before I shut it off. Would not restart"

good luck with the new service manager, who in turn is working with the owner. I can see a little participation from all involved, but the least amount from Corporate JD
as they really did nothing wrong here, right?

No doubt the management/staff changes didn't help either. Like one poster mentioned, it must have been tough being handed this big puzzle, especially possibly not knowing
what prior techs had done, or yourself for that matter.

 

[lilranch2001]

I have also been watching and waiting the outcome of this thread, and it does indeed sound like an unfortunate set of circumstances that has led to this getting so far out of hand.
BUT upon further review of the early pages, OP had all of us stumped with all sorts of mystery diagnoses for a problem but failed to let us in on that one key component,
He had performed some work, and then after performing this work the problem reared it's ugly head.

I hope your dealer works with you on the whole deal, and everybody is happy with the outcome, but it certainly leads us to a much different set of circumstances than
originally indicated. As,
"Tractor was running normally, before I shut it off. Would not restart"

good luck with the new service manager, who in turn is working with the owner. I can see a little participation from all involved, but the least amount from Corporate JD
as they really did nothing wrong here, right?

No doubt the management/staff changes didn't help either. Like one poster mentioned, it must have been tough being handed this big puzzle, especially possibly not knowing
what prior techs had done, or yourself for that matter.

I would still dispute the statement bolded in red above.
He stated he did tell them, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not fibbing to us all.

 

[yelbike]

I don't really think it matters if the op told them or not of his"repairs".

As a tech, you need to go thruogh your trouble shooting procedures. Eventually you'll find the problem. I think the dealer is totally at fault, sucks but true. I don't think corporate JD is off the hook either, its an AUTHORISED dealer, the techs are trained by JD corporate. Jd corporate should stand behind there dealer step up to the plate.

 

[Cpjlube]

No. It doesn't matter if he told them or not. The first we heard about the hydraulic pump was many posts into this thread. And the statement was "they messed up the pump". Now, later in the thread, the OP worked on the hoses and reversed them. What does matter is how much it's going to cost to get this machine back in running order and most importantly who will pay for it. At first I was thinking the dealer may help out with a rebuild. Not a new tractor. Not a new engine. Now I'm thinking the water has been muddied enough they may just take their chances in court, and go for full payment.

It was in another dealer just before this repair. Why two different dealers? Also, just to be clear, having it to a dealer earlier doesnt prove it was running fine before this issue. Stuff breaks all the time, thats why repair shops are full of machines. This scenario gets stranger every post. Starts out with a fuel contamination issue and slowly we get more facts. I'm waiting for another tidbit to let us in on more of the story.

Chuck

 

[Dutch445]

It was in another dealer just before this repair. Why two different dealers? Also, just to be clear, having it to a dealer earlier doesnt prove it was running fine before this issue. Stuff breaks all the time, thats why repair shops are full of machines. This scenario gets stranger every post. Starts out with a fuel contamination issue and slowly we get more facts. I'm waiting for another tidbit to let us in on more of the story.

Chuck

I agree that this has taken many twists and turns as it unfolds. Also, maybe not intentionally, but the OP sure left a few critical details out of his initial
posts that would have impacted the whole thread if they had been disclosed first off. I would bet that with the talent on TBN this problem would have
been caught very early on if that important fact was mentioned in the beginning instead of weeks later.

 

[ORCM]

Well just because I didn't post on here doesn't mean that I didn't tell the dealer. The dealer is the one that at first told me that I dumped gas in it. Then it changed to fuel contamination.

The other fact is, they had the tractor for over a month and a half before they even check motor compression. Then they started tearing the motor down. A lot can happen in a few months and half.

Some of my post have sporadic, but I was just posting information I had at time. Sometimes the story change, but this is the information I was getting from the dealer.

 

[ORCM]

The tractor is now sitting in my shop! Mowed my lawn last, and for the most part it seems to run fine. Other than there is an issue with the right break linkage. Have to mess with it later.

My bill $0