LS or Massey

[MaineGuy1]

Hey guys,
I did some tractor shopping yesterday and looked at the Massey Ferguson 1735M and 1740M for the first time.
I got a price on the 1735M cab with loaded tires for $31,500. I got a price on the 1740M Deluxe cab loaded tires for $36,500. What a beautiful cab set up and air ride seat.
I really liked these two tractors. One of my concerns is the FEL lift capacity 19.6" forward of pins is only 1300lbs and breakout force of 2190lbs, does this seem low to you guys? I can get an LS XR4145HC for about $31,500 with a lift capacity of 2700lbs at pins and breakout force of 3800lbs. I know those are different frame size tractors but the LS XR3135 has higher numbers than those two Masseys. It seems like the fit and finish of the Massey's were better, they just felt better but I like the LS also.

Any opinions between the two? If the lift capacity of the Massey's were figured out at the pins, would it be much higher?

Thanks

 

[plowhog]

I don't know the numbers or specs at all. But my Massey 1758 has a very heavy HLA grapple on front, and it has lifted everything I have ever tried to lift. The air ride seat on the Massey is great-- my back appreciates it as I bush hog the lumpy pastures.

 

[Jchonline]

What are you planning on lifting? Try not to chase specs if you can. Make a list of all of the tasks you might want to use the tractor for, see if the MF works for your application.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Hey guys,
I did some tractor shopping yesterday and looked at the Massey Ferguson 1735M and 1740M for the first time.
I got a price on the 1735M cab with loaded tires for $31,500. I got a price on the 1740M Deluxe cab loaded tires for $36,500. What a beautiful cab set up and air ride seat.
I really liked these two tractors. One of my concerns is the FEL lift capacity 19.6" forward of pins is only 1300lbs and breakout force of 2190lbs, does this seem low to you guys? I can get an LS XR4145HC for about $31,500 with a lift capacity of 2700lbs at pins and breakout force of 3800lbs. I know those are different frame size tractors but the LS XR3135 has higher numbers than those two Masseys. It seems like the fit and finish of the Massey's were better, they just felt better but I like the LS also.

Any opinions between the two? If the lift capacity of the Massey's were figured out at the pins, would it be much higher?

Thanks

Depending on the machine, but typically both for the loader and the 3pt hitch the pin weight and the extended weight is around 20%-25% less when checking the extended weight. So the Massey is around 1600-1700lbs at the pins? The LS is around 2000-2100lbs extended. From what I've seen and read, most of the loaders rated at 2600-2700lbs at the pins will only pick up a 2000lb pallet about 5' off the ground.

This info is just off the top of my head, nothing concrete, except my head.

 

[Jchonline]

Oh any differences in the dealers? How is the service department? Does either sell other brands? How many machines do they sell a year? How long have they sold that brand of tractor? These may also help you make a decision.

 

[MaineGuy1]

Thanks for the reply's. One reason I wanted a higher loader lifting weight was to pick up a ton of pellets, but that's not a deal breaker. The Massey dealer also sells Kioti and he is definitely a larger dealer and has been around longer. I am not sure about the LS dealership, I didn't see any other brand tractors on the lot but definitely not as large as the Massy dealer. I really wasn't looking at the Massy's but now that I have they just seem a lot more refined. The salesman told me he likes the Massy over the Kioti, he said he likes the Japanese stuff over the Korean but that was just his opinion.

 

[Jchonline]

Hey if you are buying a new machine, it should lift that pallet of pellets! Did you spend any time operating them around the lot? That might help a bit as well.

Kioti has a small market share, but a great reputation on these forums. If this dealer has great things to say, and if he plans on selling/servicing them for years to come they are worth a very serious look. Kioti FEL lift is usually very good.

Massey also has a fairly happy following to my knowledge.

The reason I crossed LS of my list was the dealer. They had only been selling them for a couple of years, they sold other tractors, and a few cars. I just didn’t get a warm and fuzzy. I liked the machines though!

 

[MickeyDBC]

I looked at Massey a year ago and really liked the cab. Downside is Massey is owned by Agco and at least back then they did not have the best reputation for customer service, especially with new tier 4 diesel engines, plus the model that I was interested in was made in China. Ended up going Kioti - it was about 8K less expensive and the loader lifted quite a bit more and I often use the tractor as a fork lift. Have almost 150 hours on the Kioti now and no problems other than a pinched O ring in the added third remote (took ten minutes to fix). A year down the road and I would do the same thing again.

 

[plowhog]

I was out moving black oak rounds today and thought I'd post a picture. Getting everything in one place to start splitting next week.

Don't know how much the rounds weigh but I know they are quite heavy plus a bit more since they have been sitting in the rain lately. The level in the picture is 4 foot. btw I started with a Massey GC1710 SCUT. Then added the 1758.

 

[Bigpuddie]

I looked at Massey a year ago and really liked the cab. Downside is Massey is owned by Agco and at least back then they did not have the best reputation for customer service, especially with new tier 4 diesel engines, plus the model that I was interested in was made in China. Ended up going Kioti - it was about 8K less expensive and the loader lifted quite a bit more and I often use the tractor as a fork lift. Have almost 150 hours on the Kioti now and no problems other than a pinched O ring in the added third remote (took ten minutes to fix). A year down the road and I would do the same thing again.

In the last 4 years, AGCO has committed to be the best. Their customer service is top notch. The tier 4 engines Massey has now in this class no longer have DPF. Major advantage. I would never have considered a MF 5-10 years ago. Now, they are top shelf machines