LS or Massey

[TSO]

AGCO=the MTD of farm equipment.

This is a silly ignorant comment....

I have owned 2 LS machines and 2 Iseki-built Massey machines, like the one you are considering. (Iseki mfg in Japan makes all of the Compact and Sub-Compact units, and some of the utility machines, has for a long time).

LS makes good, quality units for the price point. Massey (particularly Iseki) makes excellent quality units for a higher price point. Think of LS as Hyundai (actually there are some real connections to LS origins to Hyundai), and Iseki as Toyota/Lexus.

Both will get you there, but the Iseki machine is more refined. I use my Massey 1648 (past) & 1652 (present) machines commercially for my Landscape Company and they are excellent workhorses. The ONLY issue I ever had in a combined 1500 hours of use was a small metal hydraulic return line developed a hairline crack. It was under $30 if I remember correctly, and took about 5 mins to fix.

I know money is a point of consideration, but if you're considering these machines for comparison you should compare the 1749 so you get the DL135 loader.

I owned that comparable LS loader in the past (on 2 different machines) and it is definitely NOT as strong in real life use as the comparable Massey loader. I did real world lifting comparisons with both machines with hydraulic pressures tested, and the comparable Massey loader (mine is the older version loader DL130) lifted about 20% more weight on pallet forks than the LS loader, PLUS it has a much higher lift height, which results in 20+" more "dump clearance" which is important for making brush piles, piling dirt high, loading trucks, etc.

Best of luck with your purchase.

Here's my old thread with height comparison: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/302858-pics-i-dream-day-when.html

 

[Bigpuddie]

AGCO=the MTD of farm equipment.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Are you familiar with Fendt tractors?- one of the best in the world. How about Challenger? Again...one of the best made. How about Valtra?- again...one of the best, though mostly used in Europe. Massey Ferguson has always built a tank of a tractor. Until about 8 years, they were more primitive, but since AGCO purchased Fendt and Challenger, they have become a world contender. Their commitment to their customers since about 2012 is second to none.

Blanket statements like yours are ridiculous.l, though you are entitled to your opinion. Do your research. I think you may change your opinion.

 

[TSO]

You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Are you familiar with Fendt tractors?- one of the best in the world. How about Challenger? Again...one of the best made. How about Valtra?- again...one of the best, though mostly used in Europe. Massey Ferguson has always built a tank of a tractor. Until about 8 years, they were more primitive, but since AGCO purchased Fendt and Challenger, they have become a world contender. Their commitment to their customers since about 2012 is second to none.

Blanket statements like yours are ridiculous.l, though you are entitled to your opinion. Do your research. I think you may change your opinion.

Calling something the "MTD" of anything is a negative. MTD is known for churning out massive amounts of entry level junk that gets "rebranded" as a myriad of different names and colors, generally available at big box stores. I have never known or heard anyone referring to anything from MTD as quality, or "best in the world.". When you refer to MTD, is it possible you are confusing them with someone else?

AGCO is the opposite, bringing different quality manufacturers into the fold of a larger company. AGCO is certainly not perfect and some people on this forum have had negative experiences with AGCO's customer service...

But Comparing them to MTD is inaccurate at best... And silly and ignorant if the purpose of saying it is intended as an insult.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Calling something the "MTD" of anything is a negative. MTD is known for churning out massive amounts of entry level junk that gets "rebranded" as a myriad of different names and colors, generally available at big box stores. I have never known or heard anyone referring to anything from MTD as quality, or "best in the world.". When you refer to MTD, is it possible you are confusing them with someone else?

AGCO is the opposite, bringing different quality manufacturers into the fold of a larger company. AGCO is certainly not perfect and some people on this forum have had negative experiences with AGCO's customer service...

But Comparing them to MTD is inaccurate at best... And silly and ignorant if the purpose of saying it is intended as an insult.

That was my point. I quoted an above statement. I think AGCO produces world class machines.

 

[TSO]

Ok... I must have missed the earlier post, all I saw was your post claiming AGCO = the MTD of....

 

[nybirdman]

Coming later this week. L4240 with just under 1,000 hours on the clock. The desire was to find something with A/C and a few more horses than the L3200 and preferably without the "earth friendly" Final Tier IV stuff. Was watching for a 38-ish HP tractor so there would be enough power to run the A/C and a 90" RFM.

Kubotas have always been good to me, but I looked at a used Kioti a few weeks back and drove a couple new 38HP Mahindras last week. Then this came along. I can't see anything on it that looks used, and it isn't a repaint / restore job. Using the serial number another dealer confirmed the seller's story that the hydro pump, one of the potential problems on 40 series, was replaced (at 79 hours) and there were no further records of problems.

The cab is very quiet compared with the DIY cab on my L3200. The cloth seat is a plus and it feels more refined in general. The first couple projects will be rear work lights and a cutting / wear edge on the bucket.

Your going to really like that L4240 HSTC,bought mine new in 2009 and now has 1200 hours,been a VERY good machine.Usual farm stuff in the spring/summer and snow plow in the winter.

 

[Tennsawdust]

Hey guys,
I did some tractor shopping yesterday and looked at the Massey Ferguson 1735M and 1740M for the first time.
I got a price on the 1735M cab with loaded tires for $31,500. I got a price on the 1740M Deluxe cab loaded tires for $36,500. What a beautiful cab set up and air ride seat.
I really liked these two tractors. One of my concerns is the FEL lift capacity 19.6" forward of pins is only 1300lbs and breakout force of 2190lbs, does this seem low to you guys? I can get an LS XR4145HC for about $31,500 with a lift capacity of 2700lbs at pins and breakout force of 3800lbs. I know those are different frame size tractors but the LS XR3135 has higher numbers than those two Masseys. It seems like the fit and finish of the Massey's were better, they just felt better but I like the LS also.

Any opinions between the two? If the lift capacity of the Massey's were figured out at the pins, would it be much higher?

Thanks

The Iseke built Masseys are well built, if a little bit on the light side. The LS XR series is a good tractor as well. If you like the dealer I would definitely take a look at the Kioti as well. They are solid machines. I like that they use cast iron axles and steel bodywork where you tend to get aluminum axles and plastic bodywork with some of the brands. In the end it is your money, so you have to decide what you are willing to spend and what is important to you. You won't go wrong with any of the three brands you've mentioned. I strongly encourage you to buy the one that makes you happy.

 

[rScotty]

The Iseke built Masseys are well built, if a little bit on the light side. The LS XR series is a good tractor as well. If you like the dealer I would definitely take a look at the Kioti as well. They are solid machines. I like that they use cast iron axles and steel bodywork where you tend to get aluminum axles and plastic bodywork with some of the brands. In the end it is your money, so you have to decide what you are willing to spend and what is important to you. You won't go wrong with any of the three brands you've mentioned. I strongly encourage you to buy the one that makes you happy.

Aluminum axles? I'm guessing you mean axle housings rather than axles themselves...but that's still a new one on me.

Which brand does that? I haven't seen it anywhere and am trying to figure out why anyone would make something like that.

I'm sure it is possible to make aluminum axle housings that are more rugged than cast iron (actually a cast steel), but I still wonder why would any tractor manufacturer do that? Maybe if I could see one it would make sense. It's almost certainly going to cost more to use light alloys and of course would weigh less.

rScotty

 

[Motorboatin]

Aluminum axles? I'm guessing you mean axle housings rather than axles themselves...but that's still a new one on me.

Which brand does that? I haven't seen it anywhere and am trying to figure out why anyone would make something like that.

I'm sure it is possible to make aluminum axle housings that are more rugged than cast iron (actually a cast steel), but I still wonder why would any tractor manufacturer do that? Maybe if I could see one it would make sense. It's almost certainly going to cost more to use light alloys and of course would weigh less.

rScotty

John Deere and Kubota are two that I know of using aluminum rear ends

Some of the new JD 3 series use aluminum and I know the older 4300 was aluminum. The sub-compact Kubotas also use aluminum

 

[coobie]

AGCO=the MTD of farm equipment.

Not really..LOL Owned a massey 1240 with loader 4X4 great little tractor.My only problem was no dealer support/parts/service in my area back in 2004-2006. Great tractor..