Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland

   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #31  
OK guys, let's not get off topic and start a color war here. :rolleyes: You both have valid points but they are not helpful to the original poster's question. We don't want MissLydna to see our dirt laundry just yet. At the moment I think she actually thinks we are being helpful.:)
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #32  
"get the finishing mower attachment for the Kubota since it will probably cost a little less"

I believe finish mowers are much more expensive than a standard RC. And one would certainly get beat up real good until the land is in better shape. I'd be looking at the RCs before moving to the finish mower.
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #33  
You could start out with a used rotary cutter and then when you are ready look for a slightly larger finish mower (used). It is not that hard to tell when a mower has had abuse and there are quite a few 1-3 year old mowers for sale in local papers (at least in my part of the country). About 1/2 price from what you'd pay new and as the depreciation is already taken, when you sell the used rotary a second time you shouldn't take too much of a loss. Just be patient in looking for one and take someone with you who knows what they should look like. PM SoundGuy....he lives in Florida (we New Englanders all live within 50 miles of each other so maybe that assumption is a tad off).:)
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #34  
Hi Lynda welcome to the forum. Great place you have and all of us understand how much work it is to maintain acreage. You sure have done a nice job with just a push mower and a trimmer.

As I see it you have two different maintenance issues to deal with. Your finish lawn around the house looks to be in the kind of shape that a riding mower or a zero turn will handle it well. It seems you already know what the options are for that area.

The “Back 40” looks to be the area that is the bigger problem and is not going to be handled well with a finish mower in its current condition. From what I see in the first photo posted even a rotary mower (Bush hog) will be challenged without some clean up of the down wood and stumps. My impression is that the ideal situation would be one tool that could mow everything when needed.

If my perception is correct here is what I would look into. You are in soft soil conditions which make grading fairly easy and fast for the right type of equipment. In this area one can bring a smaller size dozer and operator on site for $800 to $1000 per day. You would be surprised how much a good operator can do in a day. Let them push the trash to the side of the wood lot for wildlife habitat and rough grade the area to eliminate holes and smooth. Get your brother over with his tractor and a home made drag like a log with old cyclone fence attached or an old metal box spring to drag over the rough grade. With your sugar sand you should have a very smooth base to work with at that point. You will then be able to let nature take its course on the area or seed the area for finished yard type vegetation.

With your $3k budget after grading you would have $2k left to invest in a riding mower. That will not buy top of the line yet will get much better than the Wal Mart special and should last for a good number of years with minimal maintenance.

Hope you will stick with us and let us know the final out come. Good luck.

MarkV
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #35  
I would check out the cost for hiring a bulldozer for clearing and grading back 40. Maybe even get operator to dig small pond. I would be surprised if it would take more than two days for five acres (approximately 12 to 16 hours) times the hourly rate. Where I live that runs from $60 to $125 an hour, depending on size of equipment. Get soil tested, then check with local ag store for fertilizers, grass seed, straw. If you plan on staying there for any length of years, buy a used diesel lawn tractor. A good source for used equipment in your area would be the State of Florida Ag Dept market bulletins: Florida Market Bulletin Classified Ads
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland
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#36  
First, I want to thank all of you wonderful gentlemen for the advice and suggestions that you have taken the time to provide me. I have read each and every one and have given each careful consideration. I have learned so much from all of you that I now feel very confident that I can indeed successfully manage my situation. I just need to know if my plan of attack is sound.

What if I rent a tiller and a grader attachment for a day and just turn over everything, then smooth it out? I won’t have to do any seeding, the natural Florida grass will come in on its own and though it doesn’t look anything like estate grass, it is green, it can handle the heat and is extremely drought tolerant which means I don’t have to worry about watering or babying it. But just to have some fast green and to keep down the dust, I will throw out some seasonal rye. I know I have some low lying areas so I will have to truck in a couple loads of #2 dirt. I shouldn’t need more than four loads. Now the dealer is trying to talk me into a Sitrex sm230p. Ever hear of this finishing mower attachment and what is your opinion of it?

Thanks again guys. When they speak of gentlemen farmers they have to be talking about you guys, if they aren’t then they have made a serious mistake and have a lot to learn.

A grateful and appreciative,
MissLynda
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #37  
Your plan sounds reasonable - but calculate out how fast you can work and make sure you can get the work done in one day, or that renting for a couple days still makes sense. A power rake would be another option - waaay too expensive to buy for your purpose, but renting one might work at a cost similar to a tiller. And with a power rake you probably wouldn't need a grader blade in addition.

As for mowing - if you can routinely borrow your brother's tractor (with or without him to operate) I would consider buying an appropriately sized rotary cutter to mount on it and skipping other mowing options for now. An inexpensive but adequate cutter can be had in the $500-800 range (Farm Force, sold at TSC) depending what size you need. That will be much tougher when it hits buried nasties and will work fine on weeds. If you get the grass into a really good shape, then you may want to stop using the RC and go to a regular finishing mower, probably just a riding mower or zero turn - or you may just keep using the RC if it works well for you.

Personally I would find an excuse to get a Kubota B3030 cab model, but that's just for toy value and spending money, not what you truly need to use.
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #38  
Z-Michigan had some great suggestions and renting implements is a great way to go. It isn't much use buying a several hundred dollar (or more) implement you'll use once.

As you know, I'm also of the opinion to use your brother's tractor if possible. Can you tell us what model he has...I know it's Kubota...but which one?
You'll want to fit the implements to the tractor (make sure it's sized right...not too big..not too small).

The Sitrex SM230p is a 90" finishing mower. It weighs almost 700 lbs. I'm going to guess that's too big for your brother's tractor. I'd wager that finishing mower will cost well over $2000 too....probably closer to $3000. With all the trees I see in your pics, 90" is too big. As close together as those trees are, even 60" might be pushing it.
Anyway, I really think, at this point in time, a rotary cutter (48" or 60", depending on your brother's tractor) is the way to go...at this point in time.

As far as your plan...sounds good, but I suspect you'll want to rent those implements for the weekend. You'll have a couple hour learning curve and you do have 5 acres...so, figure at least one weekend.

If you read the Safety forum, we had three lady tractor operators killed or badly injured in the last 5 or 6 weeks. You'll be using implements and a machine that can be dangerous. Take your time...time is one thing you've got plenty of!
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #39  
Yeah, a 60" tiller will take you every bit of a two-day weekend to till up 5 acres. You can't go as fast with a tiller as you can with a cutter... Also, if you till it, you shouldn't need a blade to smooth it out. An easier method would be to fashion a drag out of old chain link fence, a heavy log (maybe some other wieghts), and chain. With this you don't have to worry about constantly adjusting the blade height and kinking your neck looking behind you all day. After dragging it, you could also pull around a roller to flatten it out even more after you toss out the seed.

Like they've said, take your time to do it right and have fun with it...
 
   / Machine advice for maintanence of 5 acre woodland #40  
I was appalled at the second post in this session and really enjoyed how you handled it. I also am not a fond believer in the grey market tractors and I have a reasonable mechanical appitude, but that is another story.
I am sure you will find that people aren't going to want to come over and do the rough work, and leave the easy stuff for you to finish, but they will do what you pay them to do. If your brother's tractor is available, I would purchase a medium size bush hog in a midium grade of durability. Sometimes an old heavy duty bush hog is better than a brand new light duty one, and may cost almost as much. A heavy duty or at least a medium duty one will last you a lifetime if you can keep it maintained and out of the weather. Covering it with a tarp in this state just invites rust so consider somewhere to keep it under cover if possible. A few shots of grease before use and a quick cleaning after will make a lot of difference. A stump jumper is probably a requirement. They are a round blade holder that looks like a frying pan with wings. (Wings being the blades). The stump jumper allows you to hit stuff and have the center shaft ride up over them instead of hitting it and having something break. The blades are designed to fold up when you hit something and although they might make a lot of racket doing it, they generally don't harm the bush hog. I had a Ford 1100 4x4 that I put through things that you wouldn't believe. Some of it I still don't believe.
A bush hog will cut grass but it doesn't give it the manicured look that a finish mower does. A finish mower won't cut brush worth a durn so I think you might be better off with a good bush hog. Sharpening the blades and running a little slower with a bush hog and you will get a better cut later when you have the rough stuff done. For the rough stuff, the blades don't usually get sharpened, at least not till they are pretty dull and then only to knock off the rough edges. I noticed you said your property was sugar sand, which is typical for a lot of this state, but for some reason I keep thinking that that area has a lot of blacker dirt with a high sand content. Maybe I am wrong, been a while since I ran down that way and my memory gets to acting up from time to time.
A tiller in my opinion is a waste of money. You don't care what your land looks like under the grass and if you start tilling it up, your going to do two things. One is dig up a bunch of roots that are better left buried and two your going to tear up somebody's tiller. It takes a reasonable amount of horsepower to turn a tiller thru roots and that horsepower is going to tear up the tiller. If you just got to move some dirt, a box blade with rippers will do more for you than your ever going to get done with a tiller. Plus it will make spreading that dirt fun! It will actually make you wish you had ordered twice as many loads of dirt.(Side note to the dirt purchase: Don't let them dump it in a pile. Get them to dump a single load as they are pulling forward and put the next one somewhere away from it). If the ground need breaking up, get someone to come pull a set of disc's around rather than a tiller.
I wish you luck with your endeavor and hope you realize that there are not any stupid questions. Ask anything you want to know the answer to and we will try to answer it to the best of our ability with the information that your able to offer.
I think a look at your brother's tractor to see what model it is would be very smart at this time, before attempting to purchase something either too big or too small for it. If he knows the horsepower, that might also help if you don't have the model number.
David from jax
 

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