MADE IN CHINA on JD

[ktm250rider]

At the expense of American's losing their jobs? I'm guessing you've never had to go home and explain to your family why you got laid off. I have.

Same here.

Ive typed a dozen posts, each time i end up deleting them. Just makes me more frustrated. Ill leave this one.

Just wait until Saleen (mustang/performance car guy) starts importing Chinese cars.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I just mixed up some frozen apple juice concentrate and noticed on the lid "Product of China". Wished I'd seen it before I put it in the basket.

Given what we know about them using whatever pesticides/chemicals they desire, Should I drink it?

A deeper question is, aren't there plenty of apples over here to squeeze into juice? Just how much are chains saving importing the apples to here? I don't remember how much the product cost compared to the name brand stuff but I'm taking it back. It says satisfaction guaranteed on the side. I'm dissatisfied with it not knowing what the producers sprayed on it.

 

[BillyP]

I'll tell you even better than that. A year or so ago Tyson Foods (second largest chicken company in the US) was trying to get a deal to ship processed chicken to China. Some Chinese company would do the final process and ship it back to the US.

 

[KrumpsBrother]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Chinese Tractors Forum?? New JD owners will soon be welcome there too.

KB

 

[mjncad]

... One of the major problems about trading with China that I haven't seen brought up yet is the fact that they keep the value of their currency low. This is done through a complicated means. They want to keep their products cheap to us and our products expensive to their consumers. If they allowed their currency to float on the world market like the rest of us do, it could mean their products could double or triple in cost putting them on par with many of ours. They CAN'T let this happen due to their economic goals.

I keep seeing references to Japan and how we "brought them along up to where they are". Well, Japan is a drop in the bucket compared to China. Bringing China up to par will bankrupt us. Japan learned early on (from an American none the least) that quality is where its at. They adopted it as a country, not just as a single facility.

That's my other gripe is the trade between the USA and China is not fair the way China dumps their shoddy crap on the world. Their manufacturing is essentially subsidized by the Chinese government and financed by consumers who have less and less choice as to where their products come from. As it was said before, the Chinese keep the Yuan artificially low and refuse to let the currency float in spite of calls to do so by the USA and other countries.

I believe it was an American named Deming who taught the Japanese the value of producing quality goods. It's too bad SONY has forgot that lesson in their mad rush to manufacture overpriced junk in China, Malaysia, etc. I used to buy SONY products no questions asked; but they still charge the SONY name premium and make Goldstar (LG) junk.

 

[MikePA]

As it was said before, the Chinese keep the Yuan artificially low and refuse to let the currency float in spite of calls to do so by the USA and other countries.

Economists estimate that prices at WalMart would rise 15 - 20% if this happened which would severely affect lots of consumers here. Despite how some on TBN excoriate WalMart, many low to middle income people depend upon the low prices at WalMart to make ends meet. The solution isn't as simplistic as some people in this thread make it out to be.

 

[RoyJackson]

I believe it was an American named Deming who taught the Japanese the value of producing quality goods

Edward Deming...in fact, the Japanese named their most pretegious Quality Award after Deming.
He was a no nonsense, no BS quality professional and one of my heroes.

 

[RalphVa]

A friend of mine bought a 2210 with LX4 late in 2004 about the time I bought my 4010 with LX4. He says his LX4 has "made in China" on it.

Mine was made in Canada.

Ralph

 

[BTI]

What amazes me is that it always seems to be American companies that have stuff made in China.
But yet even though they are very close neighbors you don't see many Korean or Japanese companies getting things made in China.
Do they know something we don't?

BTI

 

[JDCAN]

Economists estimate that prices at WalMart would rise 15 - 20% if this happened which would severely affect lots of consumers here. Despite how some on TBN excoriate WalMart, many low to middle income people depend upon the low prices at WalMart to make ends meet. The solution isn't as simplistic as some people in this thread make it out to be.

MikePA great point made. I feel bad for some of the other members that got laid off. That is terrible and I would hate to see that happen to anyone.

This brings us back to basic business 101. No company/business in the world can control market conditions. Regardless of industry or type (unless your the oil companies). Companies have to adapt to the current market conditions in order to survive. And here lies the problem, the American manufacturing plant workers start demanding more pay, holidays benefits etc. to less production. They expect more but output is less. In other words they start pricing themselves out of the market, or price themselves to a point they are basically saying “we don't want to do the work". What are the companies to do? Fold and go out of business or adapt to market conditions and find work forces that will perform the labor and meet output expectations? The reality is in most cases everything boils back down to us, the North American work force. We are unwilling to do certain jobs for certain income, companies start losing out and have to find other options.

Sure we can all blame the Asians for stealing our jobs, but why don't we blame ourselves? Surely we Americans should be able to out perform the Asian workers when it comes to dedication and passion? Once we accept we are responsible for our actions we can probably turn things around and keep the manufacturing in our borders, but if we continue to walk around blaming others for our problems nothing will ever come of it.

I am sure in some cases like the member above explained you don't always lose your job to bad output numbers etc. And in those small examples that really sucks, but you are caught with the bad. The bad work force has ruined it for the good.

In a topic/debate like this, nobody will ever have the right answer since no right answer exists. I still think the problem lies on our end. We are just not the same work force as 50 years ago. We all want big screen TVs, 3 cars, triple garage, baby john Deere tractors and super bowl weekend. Since the other nations are looking at life different and working harder than ever before why are we upset at them? The fact still remains we have the best living conditions in the world and the greatest amount of freedom. That has to be worth something, if it means giving up some manufacturing jobs that most people did not want to do anyway, then so be it.

Again once we accept our own problems and find solutions we can't expect things to change. I think we are better to embrace our trading partners and find better options for both sides.